What makes you think that this would be a troll question?
Anyhow, there was welfare before the welfare state. Have we degraded so low that instead of voluntarily donating to poor people, we abuse the government, and setup a case where A and B decide what C shall do for D? Why doesnt A and B just voluntarily give THEIR own money?
Read this great link from the glorious database of the LVMI servers, from the economist Joshua Fulton: http://mises.org/daily/5388/
And also this is a great argument introduced to me by Wheylous:
Argument by argument applied to the poor:
If everyone will be worrying about the poor if there is no welfare state, then wouldnt it be a given that enough resources will be given to the poor to drive them out of poverty because everyone is worried about it in the first place?
I think that this is not an argument about political policy, or Welfarism in general, its about teaching people to give to others in need.