Wait… You’re a member of that Jim Jonesesque group?
lol
I’m done.
No, he’s the founder.
All persons from Phase 1 will be eligible to vote. In addition a $100 contribution is required for each person wanting to vote. This contribution will be held in escrow and divided equally among all Colonists who arrive at the location within 60 days of the completion of the Reconnaissance Phase. There will be seven possible locations at this stage and each person now will get to select two locations. Persons at this stage are committed to the principle that if either of their two voted locations is selected they are willing to settle in the Colony within 60 days of the completion of the Reconnaissance Phase. This vote will occur 30 calendar days after the Phase 1 vote.
Yeah, so I can join and just let everyone else decide where to take me.
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Scary.
You are not required to go anywhere. I included the $100 in the second round of voting to get rid of anyone who was not seriously interested in the process. Is a $100 too much for you, I would have thought with all of your agorist activity you would have plenty of money.
It’s fascinating that all the self proclaimed agorists on this site and not one can come to the defense of just basic questions regarding agorism. Yet, I am to believe that there is some vast agorist underground network and yet here on the Mises forum which probably has more self proclaimed agorists than any other place and there is not a single one willing to stand-up for your philosophy. I think my original point has not only been proven but demonstrated by the very people claiming the opposite.
An agorist is going to do whatever he can in order to keep as much of his own property as possible, right? So avoiding income taxes would in fact be working, because he’s keeping his money. Same for trading on the black market for that matter.
Are you defining sucess as bringing down the government completely, because contributing to the political process definitely hasn’t worked. I know if I were planning on going to the polls I’d vote for Obama rather than anyone else, because the state isn’t going to give up power until it collapses anyway. Might as well speed along the process by putting someone in there who will increase taxes and spending.
If you want to talk about approaches that don’t work, try electoral politics. There has been a political libertarian movement, of varying size (from dominant to miniscule), since the Revolution. That is 232 years of almost complete failure, with a limited republic being replaced by an corporatist empire with military forces all around the world, a fascist economy, rapidly decling personal and political freedoms, and a very heavily entrenched ruling class.
Thank you.
Hold on there, Koolaid! Don’t go all Charles Manson on us now.
Ha. Ha. Ho. Ho. Ha. Ho. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ho.
Jimmy… [<:o)]
Apparently this guy’s unfamiliar with the concept of division and specialization of labor. And he’s under the delusion that if we’re posting on this forum, that must necessarily be all we’re doing. Meanwhile, his Liberty Colony idea probably has less chance of getting off the ground than the Free State Project. He’s certainly going about marketing and recruiting for his pet project all wrong. Here’s a hint: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Agreed. He has no chance on these forums now, anyway. The Dark Eye of Sauron* has turned towards him…
*-Niccolo
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Casting stones again. Care to tell us about your liberty initiatives?
Is he correct? I haven’t seen many if any people address this directly.
And your tactic which will be more successful is?
Yes, the philosopher eggheads would love for everyone to kiss their asses. Luckily, no one holds them in as high regard as they hold themselves.
You might realize a profit if you used this approach when dealing with people like ML who are minarchists, and are challenging you on the supposed merit of your argument.
Of course not.
What? Do we each have to be one man armies? You’re deflecting.
What’s with the personal attacks? Do you have an inferiority complex around philosophers or something? Did I address you in my post? No. Just some pretentious jerk (ML) who has been nothing but rude to others here. Maybe you didn’t understand the metaphor. Honey = civility, not ass-kissing. Vinegar = rudeness, etc.
Why should I take him seriously? If he can be civil and respectful of others, then I’ll take him seriously. But if he insists on being a pretentious jerk who can’t even show some actual success with his own venture, then I’ve no reason to take him seriously. At this point, he’s all obnoxious hot air. I don’t need to justify myself to him. He’s a nobody. He’s got what? 4 promised members for his colony now? Including himself? There’s no quarantee any of them will actually move to the colony. And what does he think a little island community of 200 people, even a few thousand, is going to be able to do against all the tyrannical governments in the world? What’s going to happen? Is the rest of the world supposed to see how well liberty works in this one tiny island community and suddenly convert en masse? Or is the purpose of the colony just to found a little community so that at least some people can live in freedom? That’s fine. I don’t begrudge anyone that. But it’s not a very good way to fight tyranny here in the US or elsewhere in the world. And one little tiny pocket of liberty all concentrated conveniently in one easy to isolate spot will be easy for one of the tyrannical governments of this world to destroy.
I am not a minarchist. I don’t believe in any form of state. Just to clear that confusion up.
So everybody avoiding taxes or using the black market is participating in agorist activity. Agorists usually don’t want to admit this reality because it creates huge holes in their philosophy.
Why would I discuss electoral politics? I am not interested in the state. Where have I ever said that electoral politics is working or should even be attempted? Yet another agorist unable to coherently argue for agorism as a strategy trying to change the subject.
The question in this thread isn’t about the Liberty Colony. The question is about agorism. So if you are an agorist and advocate this strategy then step up and answer the questions. It is ironic that whenever someone is debating me about something it always comes back to a discussion of the Liberty Colony, which I don’t really mind because it just indicates that in the debate for what is likely to work to create freedom, the Liberty Colony idea is showing itself as the consistent leader in this debate. I am the only person here that advocates a course of action that I can both defend from an individual freedom point of view and from a probability of success for creating a free society.
This discussion and for all those that read it has demonstrated the hollow shell of the agorist philosophy. Again, I challenge any agorist to answer the simple questions I have asked and to explain the practical application of agorism as a strategy to end the state. Any takers?
And what were these non-self incriminating questions again? [^o)]
Were these the questions?
Perhaps you should read the New Libertarian Manifesto, Jimmy.
Agorism is a strategy based on phases and the first phase assumes that most people do not know about Agorism.
For this phase SEK3 assigns the task,
You seem completely ignorant of the Agorist tendency and motivations. To convert counter-economists into Agorists is the purpose of Agorism.
There are those that have had success, however, since we’ve agreed that incrimination is counter-productive we will not name names.
It may be confirmed, however, that a certain Mr. A is in a confederation with several other amateur pharmacists working together to bring in more profits, minimize risk, and spread the word about Anarchism and its benefits to other contacts. Mr. A has seen some success to this, both monetary and relationship wise. The effects on the local government have been seen in the form of fewer arrests on certain customers and dealers of contraband with an increase in information and “safe-places” to get away, along with a higher influx of banned products at a lower price and cost.
No. The ideology representing the undermining is very relevant. It creates comradery and a goal to reach, as oppossed to blind hit and run deals.
Arrest rates have gone down for certain activities among a group of people in Mr. A’s area.
An increase in production of certain goods that were once scarce.
An increase in networking for libertarians.