Defrauding has nothing to do with it. There is no contract here with conditional transition of property. There is no exchang of property at all. Its lie, but not a fraud. Don’t overextend this term.
The self-ownership and non-aggression principles in no way equate to “contractarianism”.
I’ll post more in this thread later.
Eugene, if I tell you to walk in the middle of a field where there’s a large red X painted for a “surprise”, and you do walk out into the X not realizing I placed a land mine there and it kills you, am I to blame for you blowing up even though I set the whole thing up, but did not physically put you there?
If anyone has seen the Saw movies, in a legal since Jigsaw the murderer for anyone who died in those situations. It couldn’t hold up in court that it was the victims fault they couldn’t cut the key out their own body to undo the trap on them in time before it killed them, prior to the situation the actual murderer set up the situation.
According to scenario asking your girlfriend to walk out in traffic is stupid, for both her and you, and clearly those acts sort of filter out the people who cannot manage real life, so an affect of that is you’d go to prison and your girlfriend is dead and society is made better.
I’d like to note that I do not think you shouldn’t be liable, I just explore this possibility.
What bothers me is that there are cases in which it is not so clear whether there was a crime or not. For example if you pursuade your friend to jump from the 20th floor with the intention to kill him, are you liable? I’m not sure. He is the idiot who jumped, so how are you to blame? Obviously you were a lot smarter because you used very sophisticated argumentation and he is very gullible. But are you a murderer? I doubt it.
It is very different in cases where you actually physically harm someone. No one can argue you were not a criminal in this case.
Uh, yeah, you are a murderer, you know that the person is gullible and you can make a good arguement, so you convince him to jump from the 20th floor, and would you? No, because you know it only leads to death, so why convince your friend to do it? Only reasoning is to kill him. Don’t try to argue out of being a murderer because how you view the act of killing someone is different.
But what if you were only 30% sure he would jump, or 5%, or 1%? Are you half a murderer then?
Then both of you are idiots.
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Autolykos****, Clayton, Wheylos, others, what do you think of this?
I think you’re idiot if you keep creating threads like these. It’s even worse than Holocaust denialism (these can be pretty fun threads).