Murray, John, I debated the rubes plenty, there is nothing more for me to learn. I know how they go wrong in every single of their arguments. Mostly it’s just illiteracy of basic economics. I’m not saying I know everything, but there is nothing the economic illiterates can teach me. It’s not like I somehow overlooked the feasibility of a particular free lunch scheme. Anyways, my statement above was about marketing, not about making sure we got it right. I know I’m right, the problem is how to convince the primates. Libertarians are so fricking intellectually honest that they don’t get anywhere in convincing people, that was my point. They think the same analytical arguments that convinced them could convince the mob, if the arguments were only refined enough. So they keep studying their precious “economics” while the primates rally behind the guy with the nicest free lunch scheme. Libertarians are Leninists when it comes to marketing. Just look at North and South Korea, is there really any need for better arguments in favor of free markets? No, it’s blatantly obvious to anyone who looks at the world objectively, or makes the effort of reading one book. Politics is mostly about emotion anyways. Rational arguments at best have an effect on the most analytical quarter of society, everybody else has to be treated like a child: they like pretty pictures of utopia. If libertarians are more eager to debate and ‘sharpen their sword’ than to make some headway, they are endangering societies welfare for their own selfish gain.