stricly speaking nethier is ad hom.
ad hom would be:
3. the argument you are advancing for the truth of X is wrong since you are an idiot who believes in phrenology!
This.
Must logical fallacies be in the context of a debate? Serious question, I don’t know. My example, by the way, is nearly identical to one I heard used by Carl Sagan though I think he used ‘plumbing’ instead of ‘diet and exercise’ and ‘astrology’ instead of phrenology.
If logical fallacies can only occur in the context of a debate, then I am wrong. If not, then my example (number 2) and yours are both logical fallacies.
Thanks
Actually, the second is the poisoning the well variant.
“why should i take your advice”, is a question.
at worst, the insult is a non-sequitor to it.
at best, the insult explains why one feels a lack of motivation for taking someones advice.
this is to remain agnostic over whether the advice was provided with valid/sound arguments to justify it.
if there is assumption that idiots are wrong… (not an idiot savant on his pet topic) [:P]
Yes, and the person’s standing is attempted to be discredited by pointing out the belief in phrenology. It’s poisoning the well, which is a subcategory of ad hom.
You can get natural monopolies fairly easily with the privately optimal firm size is quite large.
On patent rights - what do you think will be the incentive to innovate if innovations are so easily stolen?
Learn the distinction between the ad hominem logical fallacy and ad hominem as a term in everyday language.
What are you talking about? A monopoly means 100% market share. It is impossible to maintain100% market share in a free market, let alone gain 100% market share in the first place.
How does one “steal” an idea? I know how to copy an idea, not sure how to steal one though. Please expound. BTW, competition is what spurs innovation, not monopolies.
No, you can’t.
No. The “everday use” is WRONG. It’s like saying something begs the question when it actually raises the question. Use the term correctly, or don’t use it at all.
Even if there could be a natural monopoly that completely dominated an industry, it would only be to the detriment of less efficient firms in that industry. It would be to the benefit of the consumers.
Note: I said “even if”.
I don’t disagree with a word you wrote, but after all this, you’re going to have the socialists come back with “What about the workers? A company that is a monopoly because it’s the best could still keep wages low, provide crappy working conditions, and little or no benefits to people working in that industry!”
Not that I don’t have paragraphs to write in response to this myself, but I’m always up for hearing other perspectives as well.
what about hte workers, in a free market there are powerful dynamic forces pushing their wages towards their DMVP.
if a business was awesome terrific, became large, then mistreated its workers, it could hardly hope to remain awesome. this is like imagining you can be good at stuff now by having once been good at stuff and now being bad at stuff.
If their labour is valuable, to say that, they contribute to the greatness of the company, then they have leverage to negotiate the terms of their employment because they can always threaten to compete in a free market.
Socialists are locked into the paradigm of worker-boss. Left-libertarians are guilty of this as well. In a free market, we’re all our own bosses, and with the potential for sound money and no regulation, we’re all able to compete and accumulate capital. So the whole boss-worker paradigm, rather than being something that needs to be reformed, may become uncommon in a free market, because new dynamics will appear with workers able to compete direcly against their former employers with low barriers to entry.
Now the downside (to their perspective) that socialists are not looking at is that in a free market, you will have more worker/worker competition and less solidarity. Solidarity only benefits the unproductive employees. That is why unions used violence against scabs, to deter worker-worker competition.
Get him to read this: http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/chap7.html
Are there examples of this happening in a free market?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_PVI6V6o-4 It’s a bit long, but very informative.
It’s broken up into parts here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnsLFVGOU4Y
Here’s a more condenced version from CS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYir7piSygQ
Thanks for responses to the “what about the workers?” counterpoint. Couldn’t have said it better.. (which is why I asked :P)
