well i did read it, i just dont accept Block’s claim
obviously, Hayek wasn’t an anarchist, so obviously he thought that there was a legit reason for government involvement, that doesnt make him an ordo for it…
[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]
well i did read it, i just dont accept Block’s claim
obviously, Hayek wasn’t an anarchist, so obviously he thought that there was a legit reason for government involvement, that doesnt make him an ordo for it…
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(a) that is not what you said. You said “clearly, if one watches Hayek’s interviews, one does not get that view that Hayek was an ordo.”
(b)…
"Ordoliberalism is a school of liberalism that emphasised the need for the state to ensure that the free market produces results close to its theoretical potential (see allocative efficiency). […]
“Ordoliberal theory holds that the state must create a proper legal environment for the economy and maintain a healthy level of competition (rather than just “exchange”) through measures that adhere to market principles.”
Stephen Padgett: “A central tenet of ordo-liberalism is a clearly defined division of labor in economic management, with specific responsibilities assigned to particular institutions. Monetary policy should be the responsibility of a central bank committed to monetary stability and low inflation, and insulated from political pressure by independent status. Fiscal policy—balancing tax revenue against government expenditure—is the domain of the government, whilst macro-economic policy is the preserve of employers and trade unions.”
That sounds exactly like what Hayek was advocating. And besides…Block never used the term “ordo” throughout the entire paper. But here’s someone who did… (Scribd)(PDF)(YouTube) And here’s someone else. (PDF)
how does
'You said “clearly, if one watches Hayek’s interviews, one does not get that view that Hayek was an ordo.”"
contradict this
obviously, Hayek wasn’t an anarchist, so obviously he thought that there was a legit reason for government involvement, that doesnt make him an ordo for it..
“is the domain of the government, whilst macro-economic policy is the preserve of employers and trade unions.”
“Monetary policy should be the responsibility of a central bank committed to monetary stability and low inflation, and insulated from political pressure by independent status”
[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]
how does
'You said “clearly, if one watches Hayek’s interviews, one does not get that view that Hayek was an ordo.”"
contradict this
obviously, Hayek wasn’t an anarchist, so obviously he thought that there was a legit reason for government involvement, that doesnt make him an ordo for it..
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Did I say it did?
arent you implying that im contradicting myself or something like that when you said: ‘that is not what you said..’?
I’m wondering where she was planning on going with the “government out of marriage” thing. Somehow I don’t think the “I hope he’s not a muslim” and “white people coming to lynch the black president” chick is sympathetic to libertarian views. Either way it’s nice to see Benton not fall for it.
[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]
arent you implying that im contradicting myself or something like that when you said: ‘that is not what you said..’?
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Um. No. I’m saying that’s not what you originally said…as in, what you said the second time around is not the same thing as the statement we are discussing.
If I say “the moon is a satellite” and someone disagreed and we began to discuss the issue, and then I came back and said “the sun is a star”, the other person could rightfully reply “That’s not what you said.” Because it isn’t. And it isn’t what we were talking about. Two things don’t have to contradict each other to not be the same as one another.
they do go together though… clearly, if you watch Hayek’s interviews you wont get that ordo label on him. i dont see how my second point goes against this point. Hayek’s obviously believed in the role for government, that doesnt make him a ordo
[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]
they do go together though… clearly, if you watch Hayek’s interviews you wont get that ordo label on him. i dont see how my second point goes against this point. Hayek’s obviously believed in the role for government, that doesnt make him a ordo
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Okay so before you didn’t see how your first statement “contradicted” your second statement. I stated quite clearly I said no such thing, that what I said was they are not the same thing…and that two things do not have to contradict each other to not be the same.
Now you don’t see how your first statement “goes against” your second statement. Is there something about the definition of “contradict” that you don’t understand?
no, im not talking about contradiction… I am just wondering why you just pointed out the statement ’ that is not what you said.’ The two points that I made go well together and they mean the same thing but with different wording
You gotta love it.
Contessa Brewer sets a trap…and steps in it.
(Notice how by the end of the interview he has “expertise” in the matter )
[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]
no, im not talking about contradiction…
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Sigh.
Okay so before you didn’t see how your first statement “contradicted” your second statement. I stated quite clearly I said no such thing, that what I said was they are not the same thing…and that two things do not have to contradict each other to not be the same.
Then you stated you don’t see how your first statement “goes against” your second statement. So I asked if you have some problem with the definition of “contradict”, because I had just stated quite clearly that I said nothing about the statements “contradicting”, and most would agree “goes against” is the definition of “contradict”.
It’s like if someone asks “would you like a beverage?” And you reply, “no, thank you”. And then their very next statement to you is “Well would you like something to drink?”
Now you’re going all the way and claiming the two statements you made are the same thing, yet I wonder if it’s just so that you can maintain disagreement.
Austrian Economics: Why It Matters
Tom Woods stops by “On Money” in Wheeling, West Virginia, before speaking to the West Liberty Economics Club at West Liberty University.
There’s an odd editing blip around 4 minutes, but the rest is fine.
And I don’t understand why people won’t use it more. “Like welfare state? Read some Hayek!”
I wish he was a bit less confused about what the constrained vision is (or at least described it more accurately), but the story of his transition and the fact that it occurred is awesome.
David Mamet’s Political Awakening
Inspiring. Such a large transition!
Dirty capitalists stealing the land of the masses:
JJ, I understood what you were saying when I asked if how i contradicted myself, my response after that wasnt to further the conversation about contradiction, I was just wondering why you pointed out what I said as ’ that is not what you said.’ to me that point seemed irrelevant.
Just By The Way:
What happened to my ranking? (The little green boxes under my avatar)? I used to have one box and was happily anticipating a second 
Edit: It’s back, and it’s got a friend!!!