Bitcoin Is Tanking, right now!!

From a friend: "…did you guys know the ASIC servers are coming online in the next 2 months? The network difficulty is about to go right through the roof. There’s going to be really dramatic unloading and shuffling until the network stabilizes around the new production paradigm

I should add that GPUs have additional costs which ASIC servers do not. Namely, you can hook more than 2 ASIC servers to a single computer. Most PCs max out at 3 or 4 GPUs. With a series of USB hubs, it would be possible to hook an unlimited number of ASIC servers into a single computer. As such, you save a ton of money on support (non-revenue generating) hardware. Really, who wants a dozen motherboards anyway?

…There’s more costs associated with hardware than the GPU. Namely, a PC can only hold three or four of those bad boys. Believe me when I tell you, the cost of extra mother boards, memory, power supplies, ram, and monitor switches adds-up quickly. Not to mention the heat. 15 GPUs can raise a sealed 20x20 room’s ambient temperature by 75 degrees in less than 5 minutes. It takes some serious engineering to expel that much heat from an enclosed space. I thought a plastic fan might work in the window…then the fan melted. A cluster of GPUs needs an actual exhaust system, and the space to hold all the equipment. When you cost average non-revenue equipment into the cost of GPU mining, the cost per MH becomes rather prohibitive… Well, it was prohibitive when BTC were trading at less than $10. However, the difficulty was under 1,000,000. With the difficulty over 7,000,000 (it’s gonna break 8 million at the next difficulty check), it’s impossible to make a profit with any number of GPUs. The power costs alone will eat the miners alive.

This bubble is the last chance for GPU miners to recover their sunk costs and turn a profit.

I pay $.11 per kWh. With 24 GPUs @ 750,000 difficulty I could make 2-3 BTC per day through pooled mining. The power costs were $750 per month. I could break-even while BTC stayed above $10. I never recovered all my sunk costs.

Assuming power costs are comparable everywhere, a 24 GPU system (which is a big cluster computer) @ 7,500,000 (or 10x difficulty) should be able to produce .2-.3 BTC per day. I’d say that’s, at most, 14 BTC a month. The price needs to stay above $50 to break even. I guess fifty is the new zero while there’s still GPU mining.

I assume all miners, prior to the current bubble, have been running at a loss for a very long time.

The major source of cost is power. The ASIC systems use 5 to 10 times less power than GPU systems. To me, that means the ASIC miners can sell their coins for less than GPU miners’ coins. I would assume the ASICs will drive the price of BTC back down to $20 or so.

The ASIC boxes are quiet, cool, and consume almost no power. Not to mention the fact that you can hook dozens of them into a network of USB hubs. One computer, dozens of miners. To me, that equals very low barriers to entry. Lots of competition in a zero-sum game. Thanks anyway."

I love the arrogance and brazen shamelessness of the bitcoin crowd here.

After telling everyone to buy buy buy at $266 a bitcoin, you’d think they’d slink onto some hole in the ground when it has lost 2/3 of it’s value [so far].

Stockbrokers get sued for that kind of thing, especially if it turns out they have a stake in pumping and dumping a stock.

Well, don’t say I didn’t warn you, everyone. Don’t come crying to me now, naive innocents who lost their shirts.

Maybe next time you will pay more attention to Smiling Dave, put more effort into actually understanding what he is saying.

Kudos, however, to Malachi, who was shamed into changing his juvenile signature.

I’m sorry I added to your butthurt with my signature. now that its changed, perhaps you could pay more attention to your own posts and realize that you even admit that bitcoin is money.

Talking about mining…

People with large botnets under their control can just click a button and have thousands of computers mining coins for them…

To me, it seems like Bitcon is merely speculation. There’s no real value there, no production, no wealth created, etc. I could be wrong, but those are just my superficial thoughts.

you dont think theres value in sending and receiving data?

What can I do with the data? I asked SmilingDave if one can use Bitcoin to make purchases.

what are you doing with the data right now?

dont ask dave anything about bitcoins, he cant see straight. yes you can buy stuff with them.

There’s a thread about a Bitcoin competitor on Reddit and it’s funny to see Bitcoin fans attacking the competitor for things that also apply to Bitcoin. This one was especially ironic:

Malachi,

Dave has been one of the few people who have been able to explain Bitcoins in a simple manor. It’s really hard to find anyone who has an opposing opinion of them to do the same for their defense. I mean, there is someone here who wants others to read a 90+ page thesis on them. You’ve got to be kidding me!

Adam Kokesh comments on Ripple:

The top comment:

well do you prefer an easy to understand piece of misinformation, or a truth that requires thought?

I wasnt aware they needed defending.

what is your question?

The Bitcoin Money Myth

“Well do you prefer an easy to understand piece of misinformation, or a truth that requires thought?”

It’s not having to think about something that bothers me, it’s the tongue twister that people come up with when trying to defend Bitcoin against someone who has shown it for what it clearly is. Like I’ve said before, it doesn’t take a 90 page thesis to explain why things like gold and silver or even fiat have been used as money. If you need 90 pages to explain such a thing for Bitcoin then maybe it’s whoever wrote such a thing to start wondering to themselves if they actually understand it or not.

you found Dave’s arguments to be so convincing that further investigation isnt required. cool. good for you. why are you posting in this thread?

Why do people use bitcoin as a medium of exchange? Because it lowers their transaction costs. What else do you need explaining?

…Aaaaaand it’s back. :slight_smile:

I agree with Peter Surda, this is the killer feature that will drive adoption perhaps even unto the point of making it the worldwide unit of account.

Malachi, what gives you the impression that I don’t believe further investigation is required? I said Dave has given the best explanation in here; that doesn’t mean that I don’t continue to read what he and others write about the subject. I’ll tell you I’m definitely not reading a 90 page thesis on the subject right now though.

Oh, I’m posting in this thread because this is a message board and that is what you do on message boards; discuss things.

Is it really being used as a medium of exchange though? From what I gather, more people are holding on to bitcoins rather then passing them around as a medium of exchange but maybe your definition of medium of exchange is different from what I understand it to be. Would you mind defining it for us?