Thank you for finally having enough backbone to respond to that post. I told you it wasn’t over. Now then…
You’re backpedaling pretty furiously on this one. So you said I made a claim, but now you’re saying that you inferred a claim from what I said? In other words, I didn’t make the claim that you said I made? And since you’ve now admitted to this, doesn’t that mean you’ve now admitted to having lied? I can’t think of any other way to look at this.
First I’ll attack your charts. The first chart is for the US, not the UK. Its direct source is also from Blogspot, so I’m not sure whether to believe that it originally comes from the US Census Bureau. The second chart has no source listed on it, and its direct source is from a site called “leftfootforward.org”. So basically I see no reason to put any stock in either of those charts. I won’t even call it a nice try on your part.
Now then, what definition of “poverty” are you using? What definition of “rampant”? Do you understand that correlation does not imply causation? Were all other variables controlled for during the period in question? If not, then how can you be so sure that the reduction in “rampant” “poverty” was necessarily caused by introducing the welfare state?
You see, your entire position is intellectually bankrupt and it’s simply a matter of blind religious faith to you. Yes, religious. I’ll say it again and again if I deem it necessary.
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You don’t seem to understand what I mean by “proof”. Is the syllogism I presented logically consistent? Yes or no?
Jesus fucking christ. Do you even comprehend why people avoid responding to you? You’re such an obnoxious twat that Gandhi would have difficulty engaging you without pulling his hair out.*
Just give up with the constant trolling and sniping and debate seriously for once.
The middle class and slightly wealthy are the ones who aren’t having children at the moment, reason being that economic conditions are uncertain, so being intelligent people they come to the conclusion that now isn’t a good time to have children. The poor on the other hand were already in bad shape, getting welfare by having children is the most logical course of action to them, after all why would you want to try to get a job and work for 8 hours a day when you can have children and recieve welfare. I grew up poor, was a bleeding heart Leftist until the age of 17 when I actually learned a little economics, and learned something so obvious I slapped myself when I realized it, that people respond to incentives. For poor people the incentive is to have children because of all the welfare benefits they can get, poor people are less likely to look at the long term, they just see that they can make some easy money, often times they neglect the children because the only reason they wanted them was for the benefits. Some even tell you straight out that thats what they are going to do. I was poor, I grew up around poor people, I still know some poor people, I’m even friends with some of them, thinking that I don’t know what I’m talking about would be like telling a physicist he doesn’t know physics.
I don’t see people as inherently good or bad, I call it like I see it.
Hey, like I said before, why dish it out if you can’t take it?
You first.
But if I was actually trolling you, I wouldn’t bother making any substantial points. And when I do debate, I debate seriously. Indeed, I consider debate to be serious by definition.
This was a post with absolutely no trolling or sniping. If anything, it was the opposite - being that it contained a small amount of contrition
“If I inferred wrongly then I take it back.”.
This on the other hand was riddled with dismissive, accusatory, and childish one-upmanship.
“Thank you for finally having enough backbone”
“You’re backpedaling pretty furiously”
"you’ve now admitted to having lied?"
“I won’t even call it a nice try on your part.”
“your entire position is intellectually bankrupt and it’s simply a matter of blind religious faith to you. Yes, religious. I’ll say it again and again if I deem it necessary.”
“You don’t seem to understand what I mean by “proof””
So no, you are not interested in debating seriously.
You’re a minarchist, aren’t you? So we’re not entirely on the same side. But regardless, I don’t appreciate you trying to come between Consumariat and me.
My point is twofold. I want to show him how bankrupt his position and his ability to argue it are. I also want to retaliate against his attitude.
I am - if you are. But I don’t think you are. I think your whole point is to try to lord it over me and the rest of us. That’s normally been your point in this forum, as far as I can tell. So I’m giving you a taste of your own medicine. In other words, I’m showing you the same contempt that you’ve already shown for me and the rest of us. You sure don’t seem to like it. Oh well - go complain to someone who cares. I don’t see you as a victim here in the slightest. As far as I’m concerned, you deserve all of this at the very least.
Have I made myself clear? I sure hope so.
Aside from that, my point is also to show just how bad you are at arguing.
What is a miniarchist? compared to the average person, we are way on the same side.
“I want to show him how bankrupt his position is. I also want to retaliate against his attitude.”
sounds like you just want to brow beat him. anger is only going to bring more anger. and by the way, don’t waste any energy on anger with me…you are on my side…you promote free markets…I have love for you.
Feel free to point out anywhere you think I’ve characterized things inaccurately
When you said this:
I think your whole point is to try to lord it over me and the rest of us.
If this is the case, then name one point in this post where I was doing any ‘lording’ whatsoever. You had been repeatedly asking me to respond to points that I had failed to address. I did so in a very respectful manner, and yet the reply was this. So is it me or you who is ‘lording’?
You can ignore me all you want, but I won’t ignore you. Get it?
Also, by ignoring me, I consider you to be unconditionally conceding your position. If necessary, I’ll ask others (who you haven’t ignored) to ram that point home until you can’t look away from it.