Buying goods from slave labor

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@MMMark

Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see it. I’d appreciate your elaboration.

The way I see it, in order for the victim to be reimbursed, the criminal will have to produce. This leaves only slavery 2, which means he must also be a prisoner, since a slave is just a subset of the set of people called “prisoners.”

Well, incarceration is not about reciprocal justice (except in the case of the crime of false imprisonment) or restitution. Incarceration, especially in its current form, is about forcing the victim (and others) to pay to house, cloth, and feed the person who aggressed against him. And then of course there are the victimless “crimes”. Are we to force these so called criminals into slave labor? That is definitely immoral.

Malachi’s position of believing that incarceration is immoral in no way means that he is against reciprocal justice or resititution. I don’t know what his position is, but I do know that the two are not equivalent.

@MMMark

And yet, Malachi prefers the latter to the former. Also, what, besides “incarceration,” would you call “forcing A to compensate the family of B”? It’s slavery by SirTenenbaum’s definition, and slavery is a subset of imprisonment (incarceration).

Have you heard of lawsuits? When the plaintiff wins, the defendant is forced to pay the plaintiff. In no way does this make the defendant a prisoner or slave.