And yet, none of you are willing to tell me at what age someone can choose to have sex and why.
Really? Then at what age can children choose to have sex and why?
That is specifically the point I am making that goes entirely over your head. Only a self owner can decide when they are ready for action XYZ. All other external judgments are only arbitrary biased judgments of action. Your argument is akin to a statist making a judgement on how far their responsiblity lies in the lives of individual people.
Your like a statist asking, “Well when should we allow you to drive?!”. Why don’t you let me the driver decide when he is ready?? Likewise why don’t you let the child decide when they are ready to have sex. Why are you fixated on this concept that you must know yourself more then the self owner knows.
This key point you raise is a fundamental refutation of your entire premise and it’s laughable that you keep bringing it up as it devastates your entire theory. Only the child knows when she wants to have sex, only her, the self owner. No one else knows, not you, not me, not the statist. As a self owner she gets first claim on when to make that decision. You or me cannot know when she is ready no more then a statist can know what level of healthcare I need. It’s like assuming to know when she is hungry, assuming to know when she wants chocolate, assuming to know if she’s gotten enough sleep. You can only make objective observations at the surface, only she can know internally when she is ready to do action.
The paralell’s between you and the paternal statement is incredible.
I have answered the above to you countless times. I believe you choose to ignore posts which radically obliterate your silly theory.
So at about what age does this occur and why?
Only the self-owner can answer that question. I am now repeating myself.
You are just avoiding the question.
This is as bad as your signature. We aren’t looking for an exact age. We’re looking for the qualities of the things in question.
I do not know what rly or any of your reply means.
I am not avioding anything. It’s an impossible question to answer. It’s like asking me “What is the meaning of life”. I would never be able to answer this question. There is no evasion involved. The problem is your comprehension level.
I cannot answer on other people’s behalf without assuming a state of omniscience. Do you understand what omniscience means? It is the fundamental error a statesmen makes, you are making that error.
You are just avoiding the question. But I already know you are not interested in an honest discussion.
No it isn’t. You just don’t want to answer it.
I physically and mentally do not have the capacity to answer that question without assuming to be omniscient. Since I admit that I am not divine, you will have to take your questions to god, or whomever. But an honest human being would never be able to answer the question with any degree of honesty.
I do not appreciate your accusation that I am being dishonest, especially on questions where I would have to be god to know the answer.
I am not avoiding anything. I am telling you that an “age of consent”, in terms of a quantity of time, is as incoherent of a concept as “square circle”.
I didn’t say anything about an “age of consent”. I will re-phrase the question for you. Do you agree that at some point in someone’s life they can choose to have sex, where you would not consider it rape? If so, why? What changed?
I will re-phrase the question for you. Do you agree that at some point in someone’s life they can choose to have sex, where you would not consider it rape? If so, why? What changed?
When the self-owner makes a conscious decision to perform such an action, there is no violation of rights involved. So it’s never rape. I don’t subscribe to an arbitrary age like some.
So if a 16 year old consents to another 16 year there was no violation of rights. Unless of-coarse there was a prior agreement between daughter and father not to perform such behavior during the occupation of his protective services, offering food and shelter in return for her behavior and willingness to grow and learn. When that agreement is violated then sometimes the parents kick their kids out. Or if the parents feel they have more to offer the girl they may make some arrangement.
In all cases however I am conceding the point that only the child can make such decisions as a self-owner over her body. She alone bears the physical and mental consequences of her actions.
Let me ask you this. Do you have kids? If not pretend you do. Can you imagine a situation where your child asks you permission for something, and you tell them no?
You can take this as dodging the question, but I don’t have time right now to fully explain. I will try to post something tonight in the main child rights thread. There is quite a lot of information related to child development and needs that I have to sort out in order to present. I’ve had this somewhat prepared for a while, but was just waiting because of some other issues I am working on.
In that thread, your opinion seemed to boil down to, “Uh, whatever age the judge chooses, IDK, I am not a child psychologist.” You also never mustered up a response to the need to qualify your arbitrary distinction between children, invalids, and a sleeping man. I told you a long time ago that your whole approach was flawed and that you really can’t handle the more difficult argument if you are stuck saying that children have no rights at all.
Speaking of a dodge, there are several questions there in the first couple pages you never answered either. We can explore your idea that children have no rights, even if it has been disproved. My original question there was: “Given that children have no rights, how do they become free of their slavedriving parents?” Whether you can advance your theory beyond step 1 is really of little consequence to me.
It is not up to us to tell you that when the actuall question is “what evidence is required to prove that anyone can reason?”
Also, the Socratic method is not meant to be used by you to try to dodge a question that probably destroys the entire basis for your argument. So stop asking us at what age children can choose to have sex with you.
If you do not know what “rly” means, then you shouldn’t be on the Internetz. Lol.
What changed that allows the child to decide?