Violence could never be a way to achieve anarcho-capitalism, it would only be a way to lead to the deaths of untold numbers of people. Sure, why not have the goal of crime/deceit/greed removed from people’s natures? Once violence is renounced from within only can real change can come about. It’s nothing new. This has always been the human struggle.
It’s pretty clear that this guy hasn’t read a single thing about anarcho-capitalism, might not even know who Mises or Rothbard are, doesn’t understand a thing about economics and keeps voting for corporation sponsored candidates so these same candidates can fight the evil corporations.
I don’t know why some of you are bothering yourselves, honestly.
I’d like to think he’s trying.
Ron,
Here’s a great historical example of a society functioning without a state as you know it.
Here’s a great article addressing a lot of the concerns most people have.
And this Mises Insitute and the popularity of Ron Paul are two great examples of how public opinion can be changed. Paul has been saying the same thing for 30 years. If what you suggest is true, these ideas wouldn’t be any farther along. People are asking questions about the Federal Reserve. The bank actually requires a PR army now. The Audit the Fed bill got over 300 co-sponsers in the US House of Reps last year…in a Democrat controlled Congress. It already has 130 sponsors this session. An organization called “The Ludwig von Mises Institutute” has over 40,000 followers on Facebook. The Road to Serfdom was ranked #1 on Amazon.com just last year.
I could go on and on. If you seriously think tides can’t change and overall public opinion can’t shift, then you are either incredulous or blind. And certainly have no knowledge of history.
Oh come now, sir, neivity is not the culprit. Everyone votes for the corporate selects, they’re the only one’s who make the ballot..And as for those rich enough to claim Independence, they are surely corporations in themselves and have their personal agendas as well.
People “bother” with these threads, if for no other reason, to evolve their own convictions. To put your opinions into print requires more examination than just blissfully humming to yourself in the corner.
Was that supposed to be a response to me or anything I linked to? I’m afraid none of what you said makes any sense to me.
Can democracy exist without capitalism?
I wasn’t aware that Capitalism could exist within a democracy.
Because that is why the website is here.
First mistake was to be so into anyone.
So if anarcho-capitalism is such a pipe dream in your opinion, then how is your unstated position any better?
It’s easy to sit back and throw stones at ideas, but I have yet to see you provide any position on the subject. Economically, all I see is a blatant attack on Capitalism, when in fact what you’re describing is not Capitalism. Politically, all that can be determined is that you support government, which means you support the monopoly of force.
Hello Mr. Farmer. How are you?
You may have noticed how “personal” this thread has become for many. I’ve been defended by a few and I thank them for their faith in me possibly owning some intelligence..lol
Now that my original question is no longer an important issue to this thread..I will point out I had really expected to be offered answers rather than criticisms. It was even occasionally pointed out that some of the words I used to express a thought did not even exist? Not that they weren’t in the dictionary, just that they don’t exist. hummm
Well, I’ll be moving along now…if I wanted to match wits rather than discuss solutions, I’d have downloaded computer games.
I suppose I could spend $179 to better understand “something”, but I don’t support unaccredited education.
Oh Boy! Won’t someone race off to start a thread on that subject. See ya…
So you have never learned anything outside state school. Makes sense.
Citizens don’t exist Ron. If you’d like to define a citizen, I would be happy to demonstrate how it is an irrational concept.
Liberty student: I hadn’t intended to return for another bout. However I am moved to inform you that my recent “complaint” did not include your observations. In fact, at the risk of embarassing you among your peers, lol, I most often felt defended and sometime supported by your comments.
By the way, I have pulled some of the reference literature you suggested and will read it.
I do now recall your reference as you’ve repeated above. And so, yes, by all means, I will “listen”. Others may well benefit. I’m not the first to use the word citizen perhaps out of context, or pure stupidity..Others who read will be glad they didn’t make the blunder themselves.
Please do define a citizen and make your demonstration.
You shouldn’t be surprised that I find paragraph 1 unworthy of response. I am a successful business owner. A reasonably experienced survivalist. A graduate. A family man and a patriot (which doesn’t mean I agree with the choices made by the 51%ers).,
I suppose I could spend $179 to better understand “something”, but I don’t support unaccredited education.
Why waste $179 on knowledge when the real power is in the credits. Don’t even bother to read a book just buy the credits?
You came to this site looking for knowledge, don’t let a few few snotty pseudo intellectuals run you off. There’s a wealth of free information here to explore.
The knowledgeable fisherman catches more fish than the credited one. Unless of course you’re looking for a government job.
I don’t understand a lot of this. Are we mixing threads here? Who are these pseudo intellectuals running him off? What reference materials has Liberty Student suggested and where? What $179? What paragraph 1 is Ron talking about? It’s almost as if he’s having a completely different conversation than the one in this thread.
Liberty!!! This fellow should have gotten more than 5 points for his efforts.
And Mr. Smith,I only took offense because credits don’t just come from state schools…nor knowledge from within the sheltered shadows of musty ancient scripts.
The only job a government ever offered me was to demonstrate to a military contractor the firing mechanism I designed for the fully-automatic 12 ga
shotgun they took away from me when I was nineteen. It was an offer I couldn’t refuse, hence I avoided prosecution.
I have no idea what any relevance this is.
I asked you to define a citizen for me. I know what a citizen is supposed to be. They don’t exist.
Excuse me. I thought you suggested that you could tell me what a citizen was and demonstrate ( was that not the word you used) why a citizen cannot exist.
My simple definition of a citizen is perhaps from too common a level of communication, where a reference to a citizen might be construed to mean a member of some society, nation and maybe even tribe. A citizen would not have to be in good standing with his peers, he could be a bad citizen.
So now, what part of citizen don’t I understand?
Can you give a concise definition Ron?
A legally recognized subject or national of a state or commonwealth, either native or naturalized. An inhabitant of a particular town or city.
A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation.
If the citizen described above cannot exist..please demonstrate making him go away.
It is a very strange notion to pit the idea of democracy against that of the enterprising individual. The problem inherent within is that, when offered democracy, the enterprising individual asks “What’s in it for me?” and acts on those incentives. If it is denied that enterprising individuals act on what they perceive to be in their best interest, then what is the point of voting in a democracy? You cannot make the claim that everyone will vote for what is best for society rather than themselves, because there is no way to prove it, one way or another. But even to suggest it implies that the voter will sometimes vote against what they perceive to be important. At that point, voting itself loses all real meaning, because it is no longer the voice of the voting individual.
So much for democracy, then. As to the question of what political boby is necessary to bring about individual freedom, there isn’t one. Such freedom only exists once people realize the father-hand of some overseer walking them through life is unnecessary, and if anything deficient. Without the mindset that one is not a child that needs guiding, there simply is no free society.
My apologies. We can return to our regularly scheduled game of “assertion frisbee” now.