I saw your posts. I was kind of hoping it would be harder to dodge many bullets rather then one. 
Err, perhaps it would be more productive if I just quoted your existing posts in response to his. He couldn’t ignore them forever.
In response to several previous posts… I am still waiting to hear about some examples of places in any country on earth at any period in history where people could freely switch between water providers (not including self provision). I do not feel inclined to continue on this thread without an example or two.
what about towns whose water sources are multiple wells? so if you dont like going to one well you go to another.
i dont really see the point of listing towns that during their history had more than a single well…
If the government is so great at providing water, why does no one in Los Angeles Country, California, drink the tap water? Why would they rather buy water from a private company?
If there is great demand in LA for better water then presumably some businessmen have been badgering the authorities asking to be allowed to set up a rival water system. In order to help their case and get political pressure I presume they would also be going to the press. So presumably you can give me a link to some articles about these businessmen.
Have you seriously never heard of a private water company delivering water to a house or office building?
oh well
a pun!!![:D]
Both Daniel and myself and others have pointed out that this argument is fallacious. Argumentum ad ignorantiam.
- You are exploiting the fact that the government has eliminated several private firms simply by being the monopoly in the industry. Then asked us to provide examples in a market controlled by the government. Despite the advantage you’ve given yourself we have still sited several cases for you. You have conveniently shrugged them off.
- We have no need to site real-world examples that such business’s could exist. Our argument is that the Burden of Proof lies on you to prove to us that such business’s could not exist. You cannot use the Argument from Ignornace to argue your point. The truth is you would never be able to disprove it.
- Regarding proof. Besides the fact we have no need to site examples to further legitimize our argument, there is far more merit in our argument than yours, this is why. The only ones services/goods not provided on the market are ones taken over by government from legal monopolies. In such cases they have been pushed out by force. The only reason why utility companies are in existence is becaue it is illegal to create your own. It’s not the presence of a government utility which destroy’s the market. It’s the force applied to that utility and legal elimination of competitors which destroys the market. Our argument however holds far more merit than yours as more goods and services are delivered via the free market than by government.
Ultimately we are arguing in circles. Untill you start considering the weight of what we have repeatedly stated you will never accept what we have tried to present to you. It would waste less time to simply agree to dis-agree. Untill then you are just acting the Strawman trying to divert from our asserted points.
We will not be persuaded as we are not the ones dwelling in hypocrisy.
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First you were demanding proof of private roads, now its water. I believe an example (hardly perfect but still..) you are looking for can be found here: http://www.waterforlife.nsw.gov.au/about/plan/competition
In the earlier discussion of private roads, we discovered that there were tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of private roads in every corner of the globe. There were way more than I thought possible. The characteristics of exactly what types of places they existed in was a huge clue as to how they formed and could be sustained (it was all about contracts - which I didn’t realize till the posts started coming in). The roads existed regardless of the superficial appearance of a government monopoly - it seems that perhaps governments are more flexible than you give them credit for.
Why do you think that all governments in every country on earth are so super keen to protect water monopolies when they are so clearly relaxed about a road monopolies?
Why can’t we go through the same constructive process of posting up references to places with competing water suppliers?
Thanks for that.
Its way past my bed time again so I’ll get back to you later…
In case nobody else has suggested this, there is a chapter outlining how this was done historically (I believe in St. Louis, MO) in The Voluntary City. And also they were cleaner and better-kept than the government roads.
Read it.
http://www.alhambrawater.com/ Is there anything you’re not inept at?
Here’s a better idea: find it out for yourself. If they can charge 50% more than before either in the prior case the market was not efficient and now it is or the reverse is true. Please stop making up things as you go along. If the firm is slacking on output to keep prices high it is vulnerable to takeovers.
No, you unilaterally declared this to be so TBH.
Private Montenegrin firms deliver a good deal of water to people’s houses during summer (tourism season). The main company in Ulcinj is called “Voda za Pice,” they operate in Bar as well.
Thank you, but that book is quite expensive… and I’m a slow reader! Assuming that you’ve read it, can you just tell us whether or not there were two sets of water pipes running along under the roads? And if there was only one pipe, then how was the “alternative choice” water delivered?
Cheers,
Sounds like that comes under the heading of “extremely clumsy and expensive mechanism” as alluded to earlier. Can Montenegrans opt out of the conventional water supply altogether and rely on these private firms for all their water, i.e. enough to flush their toilets, have baths etc? Does anyone actually make that choice? Isn’t it way more expensive?
Presumably you’ve canceled your supply of mains water and are now flushing your toilets with bottled water. And obviously your private water is cheaper than the evil socialist, uncompetitive water supply so you’re saving money too!