Can you have a welfare state without a warfare state?

And your understanding is of course apriori the correct one.

Yeah, that’s exactly it. I favour subsidies to rich, white, young males. I’ve not quite figured out a way to get it past the >electorate though.

What are you talking about? This is the predominant form of welfare state in the US.

Translation from gibberish to english: I would put people in jail who disagree with me and shoot them if they resist (i.e. war).

It’s okay to be straight forward. You don’t have to pretend.

I think Giles does bring up a good point. Any codified legal system must be enforced, ultimately, via the threat of death or imprisonment for dissenters. This is true whether the legal system consists of “Give the King 50% of your crops”, “Give your house to the highway commission” or “Don’t set a man’s house on fire”. The primary difference is categorical: i.e. support of kingdoms and democracies is categorically a positive obligation, whereby the refrainment from harm in the Rothbardian legal framework is a negative obligation.

False. Only states must work that way.

Even if we take into account some of the more intriguing “financial/social punishment” theories I’ve heard (i.e. having employers garnish criminals wages and ostracising them from public life), there’s still the immediate factor of “Try to kill a man/set his house on fire, you tend to get shot back”. This does not mean such a reaction is unjustified (indeed, as an avid supporter of gun rights, I’d be the last person to say it), but it does not negate the factor of fundamental force backing a legal system, be it the monopolized force of government policemen or the angry farmer with his sawn-off-shotgun.

The threat of death as a reaction to every conceivable crime is neither a necessity of a codified legal system nor is it halfway sane nor is it by any far fetched stretch of the imagination compatible with the Hoppean idea, as anyone who has read his ideas would know (not Giles). But it’s good that we’ve acknowledge the total madness of the state system, which does ultimately enforce every last tidbit of obedience with straight execution. Whether you burned a thousand jews in ovens or stole one penny or a cop tried to beat you for being black.