Computer nerds and losers in the Libertarian movement

I don’t know. I’m certainly not a nerd. In fact, I’m a fairly popular (well, at least, I’m not unpopular) man-whore. I’m intelligent, though, I guess. I’ve never met a “nerd” in my school who was libertarian or understood austrian economics, in fact the only nerds I’ve known are only interested in grades and becoming “whatever-their-parents-want” when they grow up. The average person is more “libertarian” in nature than a nerd, at least in my experience. Non-nerds seems more self-interested and want increased rights for themselves, whereas nerds, seem to attract themselves to the sanctity of the state and the belief that socialism is the intellectual ideology.

Wow…I just realized how collectivist and unintelligent this entire post is!!!

Doesn’t Hoppe also complain that there are too many drg using, rock n roll, non culturally conservative libertarians?

Yeah. Even I am one of those types from several points of view, in spite of broad intellectual agreement with Dr Hoppe.

-Jon

It wouldn’t be so bad, if it was true. But it isn’t. So-called normal/popular people don’t sit around analyzing the structure that accommodates them and reject it. You’d have to be somewhat dissociated or disenfranchised in order to look at the state (naturally) with a wary and skeptical eye.

Good luck trying to wake up a normal person who has normal relationships, a normal job, a normal social/family life etc. You’re trying to cram the red pill down Neo’s throat and he hasn’t even met Trinity yet.

Gee, and I always thought you were a little bit of country, and no rock’n roll. lol

Nope. I like heavy metal and I dress the part. That is just one way I deviate from being Hoppe’s ideal libertarian PR man. [:P]

-Jon

There was a Lew Rockwell podcast, with I think, Mark Thornton and Lew or Mark, I think it was Lew, brought up tattoos and how they were something that becomes more prolific in booms. And how all of those bastards who got tattoos were gunna regret them now, because the labour market will be more competitive and a guy with a tat is at a disadvantage.

I got my tat and earrings when I was very poor, and didn’t ever see myself having a “good” job. In hindsight, I wish I didn’t have the tattoo (only because it is an identifying mark) and I took my earrings (4) out after a couple years. It was a phase.

I think that cultural conservatism, whether Hoppe or Rockwell, is a little goofy. People like me create jobs. And I am open minded enough to hire someone who makes me money, their tattoo or earrings are irrelevant. Most customers are more socially liberal than our leading edge conservative-libertarian teachers.

I didn’t imagine you that way. But then, I think we’re all very individualistic and probably don’t conform to many cliches or stereotypes.

Country though? I’d have thought at least classical music, which I do like!

-Jon

It was a joke poorly executed that you did not get. You should check out the original man in black however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhtcaRRngcw

There is something about Classical Music and heavy metal fans. They tend to move from classical to metal and from metal to classical with ease and with equal listening enjoyment.

I like classical music (and dress the part…powdered wigs, corsets, and my Haberdasher has an excellent reputation and does not yet suffer from madness) but the more I like it, the better Iron Maiden sounds to me.

Yeah, cause no nerds like to listen to heavy metal and “dress the part”. LMFAO!!! Holy crap dude, “Yeah, and I’ve got this awesome spiked collar and an AC/DC t-shirt. I’m kewwwwwwwwwwwwwl!” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Nah, but seriously, no really, ain’t who’s spent much time writing in the forum based on a particular school of ECONOMICS what ain’t nerd, I’m sorry. And for that bloke what said earlier that he’s some sorta ladies man… nerd girls need love too, I guess! So funny!

Internets to the rescue…

[from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music ]

That is interesting. What I really wanted to read though was something about how heavy metal artists copied Johan Sebastian Bach’s habit of setting a harpsichord on fire after every performance.

But I guess that reason only exists in my dreams.

I would much rather be a productive and honest nerd then an anarchist teaching in a state school (moocher), like Hoppe. Don’t get me wrong now, I like much of Hoppes theory and teaching but there is something fundamentally wrong about free market anarchism being teached through a state school so Hoppe and his likes should be very careful in whom they say is advancing libertarianism/free market anarchism and who is mooching (or whatever he calls it).

I would recommend Stefan Molyneux latest book “How (not) to achieve freedom”, where he spends quite a lot of time talking about the hypocrisy of many free market intelectuals. Say what you want about Stefan, but he sure has the balls to live the way he teaches other to.

What the hell is with all these Molyneux fanboys?

I don’t see what the problem is with anarchists teaching in public universities to be honest, there’s no alternative really. Even if they did teach in an entirely private one it’s regulated by the state. It’s no different from Molyneux using state roads, shopping in supermarkets that have been regulated by the state etc. The problem is we’re all complicit in this, no through our own choices but because we’ve had it forced upon us. Well, this is especially true for universities.

I don’t understand what Molyneux’s issue is with Hoppe and Rothbard (and any others, I really don’t know much about US universities but I assume they’re all state owned at least in part? In which case you can add Block, Long etc on to that list, but I’m probably wrong) teaching at state owned universities? Is it the fact that they can spread libertarianism far more effectively than Molyneux can through his podcasts? To point out the obvious: education through universities is one of the most effective ways to “convert” people, if Molyneux isn’t qualified to do it then poor him. He can carry on with his podcasts, I just wish people would realise they do far more for his own ego than they do for the cause of liberty.

I’d rather not waste my time reading more of Molyneux’s poorly writing “literature” thanks, so if you could tell me what his point is I’d appreciate it, and how exactly does he live in the way he teaches others to do? If I remember correctly he advocates cutting off contact with statists? But I could be wrong. Molyneux is full of nonsense. How ridiculous comparing Hoppe, in my opinion the most important libertarian thinker of the time to Molyneux, who comes out with second rate (to be kind) justifications for liberty.

As a side note, I’ve realised it’s no suprise he calls himself an atheist, he views himself as god, and who can be suprised when he has so many fools worshipping him.

This reads like an argument against insurgency. I don’t see anything wrong with someone teaching anti-statism in a state school. That is the breeding factory for statist intellectuals, I’d consider it a battleground for change.

I found Magnus’ post informative. I’m neither a fan or a hater. And his post certainly didn’t read like fan mail.

You seem to get exceptionally agitated if anyone brings up Stef.

Lol, I extremely dislike Molyneux, even more so than Friedman Jr.

True, but I find it hard how one can say that stuying philosophy and economics for fun is NOT nerdy. At the same time, you don’t have to give up a social life because you’re interested in nerdy topics. For example, it’s a balancing act for me to decide which friends I will hang out with at what time. I love chilling with my friends and I love partying even more, yet I also manage to read economics books and do two sports. But all my friends know that I’m a bit nerdy, but they still respect me. It’s not like one has to be autistic to be a nerd.