First of all, if you’re going to put quotes around what I said, try actually quoting me instead of rephrasing it in your own words.
Second, perhaps you’re in the habit of debating mental midgets who are incapable of stringing together more than 10 or 12 words into a single thought. The thesis of those sentences is clearly not that I welcome slavery so long as it is not me who’s the victim. Of course I empathize with those who are enslaved (hey, I happen to be a tax/inflation-slave so I know how bad it sucks!). But if you had read the next sentence, you would have understood that my point is that no matter what the Old World Elites do in terms of enslaving and colonizing people, they will lose out to those who choose to follow the path of liberty.
The comic-book crap about how we need some Mr. Liberty Superhero or else the Old World Elites are going to enslave us yet again is just a bunch of crap, probably coming out of the Vatican because they seem to have a real affinity for this Cosmic Good versus Cosmic Evil crap. We don’t need a Moses of Liberty. We don’t need a Jesus of Liberty. We don’t even need a Ron Paul, though he’s definitely nice to have around. All we need is to change people’s minds that freedom is in their best interest and is their birthright and the rest follows automatically.
Perhaps America isn’t “colonizing” Iraq in the sense that individuals are moving there to set up shop a la North America in the late 16th century. However, you cannot argue that United States does occupy other countries. Colonization isn’t in vogue nowadays on the national scene.
A Greek force of approximately 7,000 men marched north to block the pass in the summer of 480 BC. The Persian army, alleged by the ancient sources to have numbered over one million but today considered to have been much smaller (various figures are given by scholars ranging between about 100,000 and 300,000),[7][8] arrived at the pass in late August or early September. Vastly outnumbered, the Greeks held off the Persians for seven days in total (including three of battle), before the rear-guard was annihilated in one of history’s most famous last stands.
“300 Spartans” = However many Greek warriors fought at Thermopolye who were vastly outnumbered. I guess Clayton can speak for himself, but this is what I took the meaning to be.
America is employing the Roman strategy. We invade (or infiltrate with intelligence agents, which is the same thing), we conquer or overthrow the sitting ruler, then we play a game called “Who’s the Most Loyal Lapdog Traitor?” and then we stage “democratic elections” to install our chosen puppet. To make sure the puppet keeps marching to orders, we keep a few dozen thousand heavily-armed Marines and US Soldiers on hand until we’ve established a network of control that can be managed on a more hands-off basis. Then, with great fanfare, we withdraw and grant our new, de facto province its “autonomy”.
Well I would like to admit that I was wrong and that in all honesty I didn’t have an answer to the points that were brought up in this thread. That I didn’t admit that because of my pride has been nagging me in the back of my mind ever since. I have many more questions but I’ll just leave it at that for now.
You might wanna go back and look at which major superpower was urging Saddam to invade Kuwait. Then, look at which exact same superpower denegrated Saddam for follwing the suggestions after NATO decided that they disapproved. The royalty and secularism of Kuwait is why there is no “blowback” (which is an all encompassing term. It took the Iranians 26 to get back at the US for the 1954 coup).
The Kurds do not have a State. Part of our fomentation of Iranian/Syrian/Turkish/Iraqi conflict has been to get the Kurds territory.
As you can see, the U.S. forms it foreign policy along ethnic and religious divisions. Condie Rice had to apologize for this map after she help reveal it IN TURKEY. hhahaha idiot neocons. The other major “changes” are Baluchistan and the Af/Pak border (getting rid of that dirty border of Pak/China), bulkanizing Iraq (Shia/Sunni), and in bulkanizing S. Arabia (Those military bases and support for dicatatorships don’t fly around Mecca just like GWB and Ron Paul both said). Look at Kuwait in there, all unimportant and not even colored. Like Israel.
Notice Israel is in it’s proper 1967 borders. Because they are an occupying force in WB and Gaza and the U.S. army intelligence (thx 4 this map go to them) knows this and sees them as a geostrategic liability. We stand up for them as a counter weight to Russia’s Iranian proxy state…not that complicated. No ideology involved. Just a logical extension of the Cold War proxy war mentality.
Ideology is only for domestic “media politics.” Ron Paul is trying to show people “realpolitik.” This is how we get what we want. It has nothing to do with Jesus, Thomas, or Nietzche.
If not for “islamo” I wouldn’t know you were not talking about the U.S. “Islamo-Facsicm” coined by Michael Savage, is a media politics term. Rhetorically intentioned to impact religious animosity and foment emotional disconnect. It is in opposition to the U.S/EU “corporate facsism.” So, I don’t think it has much weight.
You haven’t read much about the Cold War have you? 1954 Iran, Virtually any South/Central American country, Pakistan and Afghanistan is where the U.S. created the mujahidin. You might recognize “mujahidin” except today we spell it “al Qaeda.” It is the same thing, owned and operated by the CIA, at the geostrategic advice of Z. Brzezinski.
Hint for the Republicans out there, the Reagan Doctrine, came from Jimmy Carter’s administration. Reagan simply got caught, so we call it “The Reagan Doctrine.”
Again, you are mixing Iranian domestic “medai politics” with the U.S. grand strategy (realpolitik). We manipulate domestic politics through religious polarization. It happens there the same way it happens here. There religious fanatics are the ones who want power, we spread a word as the bird in their ear, and they will rule with an iron fist knowing that they have the support of the land of liberty. See what I did there?
I’ve posted many times on the long term Russian/Chinese geopolitical threat. They are our real long term enemies. We have bee bulkanizaing the middle east/central Asia and slowly building the Chinese economy with our capital resources. It is all in anticipation of pulling U.S. military out (or an all out war).
Russia/Iran/Syria/Lebanon and China/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia
Pakistan and S. Arabia are 50% of Iranian hostility, the other 50% being Israel and the U.S. The Wahabbi Salafist Sunnis took over Pakistan and murdered virtually every Shia cleric in the country. Pakistan is allowed to have nuclear weapons with U.S. support even though they have not signed the NPT JUST LIKE ISRAEL. Pakistan has a nuclear umbrella agreement with S. Arabia…(huge implications) and Pakistan is in an offical alliance with China.
Contrast that wit Russia, the number one oil and natural gas exporter, and their alliances with Iran and Syria. All of Iran’s enemies will act if they are sent into a crisis.
Anything pops off and the Russians and the Chinese will have a tough time preventing their “ideologically driven” proxy states from attacking each other. It will be complete chaos and that is what the U.S. wants.
We have spent 40 years building the Chinese economy to compete with the Russians. China and Europe are dependent on that middle east energy for production. Destroying those oil fields and transport lines will push Europe and China into (a) war with Russia or (b) into Russias hands.
The U.S. Kony campaign is likely a way to galvanize possible U.S. military action in Africa. Africom (U.S. African Central Command) has done much research into Chinese energy exploration in Africa. China expects warlord resistance before they expect the U.S. to be a problem, but the U.S. is going to use those warlords…
Here, I’m sure your suspisicion is correct. The Russian best interest is an isolated (go ahead call it ‘nonintervention…ey.’) U.S. Adam Kokesh even said himself that the Russians promoting Paul in the U.S. is similar to the U.S. helping rebels in Libya, the exception being that Russia isn’t selling us guns, they are selling us media time.
