Do you feel that conesrvatives discredit us?

[Nitroadict]

@liberty student

@Poptech

Yes of course we should not give them any weapons so they have no way to kill people.

Maybe nerf weapons. Sleep bombs. Compassion grenades.

You almost forgot the secret deadly art of…

JAZZ HANDS

[Laughing_Man]

@Nitroadict

You almost forgot the secret deadly art of…

JAZZ HANDS

JAZZ HANDS!

[TheOrlonater]

@Juan

NAZI - “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” - National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Oh I’m learning so much. The nazis used the word socialism as part of their name, kinda pandered to the left, and were nationalists. You know what ? I think that’s called fascism.

Churchill was a classical liberal/conservative.

ROTFLOL. Hm. Here’s a bit of info for you.

There really isn’t that much of a difference. It’s funny how an entire political spectrum was devoted to two philosophies with a few minor differences.

[Juan]

Here’s a bit of herr churchill the ‘classical liberal’…

No view of society can possibly be complete which does not comprise within its scope both collective organisation and individual
incentive. The whole tendency of civilisation is, however, towards the multiplication of the collective functions of society. The
ever-growing complications of civilisation create for us new services which have to be undertaken by the State, and create for us an
expansion of the existing services. There is a growing feeling, which I entirely share, against allowing those services which are in the
nature of monopolies to pass into private hands. There is a pretty steady determination, which I am convinced will become effective in
the present Parliament, to intercept all future unearned increment which may arise from the increase in the speculative value of the
land. There will be an ever-widening area of municipal enterprise. I go farther; I should like to see the State embark on various novel
and adventurous experiments, I am delighted to see that Mr. Burns is now interesting himself in afforestation. I am of opinion that the
State should increasingly assume the position of the reserve employer of labour. I am very sorry we have not got the railways of this
country in our hands. We may do something better with the canals, and we are all agreed, every one in this hall who belongs to the
Progressive Party, that the State must increasingly and earnestly concern itself with the care of the sick and the aged, and, above all,
of the children.

Hey Poptech, care to comment about churchill and human freedom ?

[Poptech]

@Juan

ey Poptech, care to comment about churchill and human freedom ?

Ideologically Churchill does not appear to be a classic liberal but merely joined the liberal party. He comes off as a classic neo-conservative, who focused on foreign policy, played lip service to free market economics and at times supported big government solutions. I deduce this from the actual historical accounts and quotes provided. This is why he is an icon to neo-conservatives such as W. Bush but he was clearly no fascist. The articles here at Mises I found to be disingenuous as they tried to apply other’s actions to him. Churchill can only be responsible for his own actions. More historical mention of these and his own words would have made a stronger case. Which is why I suspect this criticism is limited and the reason the essays turned into long opinion pieces and third party recollections. The one piece is not even sourced, making it impossible to check, the other is but not to anything online. I like to check facts and when I do searches for phrases like this and come up with no sites but LewRockwell and Stormfront, I get very suspicious.

“This is what I have dreamed of, aimed at, worked for, and now it has come to pass.”

So I found the full speech.

"The first and greatest of events is that the United States is now unitedly and wholeheartedly in the war with us. The other day, I crossed the Atlantic again to see President Roosevelt. This time we met not only as friends, but as comrades standing side by side and shoulder to shoulder in a battle for dear life and dearer honor in the common cause and against the common foe.

When I survey and compute the power of the United States, and its vast resources, and feel that they are now in it with us, with the British Commonwealth of Nations, all together, however long it lasts, till death or victory, I cannot believe there is any other fact in the whole world which can compare with that. That is what I have dreamed of, aimed at, and worked for, and now it has come to pass."

The context is clearly not one of conspiracy. This sort of out of context quoting is aggravating and makes me distrust these sorts of articles in the future.

[Juan]

Ideologically Churchill does not appear to be a classic liberal but merely joined the liberal party. He comes off as a classic neo-conservative,

That’s not what you said a few days ago is it ? Maybe you learnt something eh ?

As to the quote I posted, which shows what sort of commie churchill was , I do have the source. Now, Once you take into account churchill’s militarism and socialism, it’s hard to deny that he was no different than the nazis, or roosevelt.

[liberty_student]

@Juan

Maybe you learnt something eh ?

[Poptech]

@Juan

Maybe you learnt something eh ?

Yes to fact check "historical "essays on Mises.org since the ones about Churchill are not accurate.

@Juan

ow, Once you take into account churchill’s militarism and socialism,it’s hard to deny that he was no different than the nazis, or roosevelt.

It is hard to deny he was different than the Nazis? Really? It is not hard at all, him and Roosevelt were different than the Nazis.

[Juan]

No, they were not. The anglo-americans were as fascist as the nazis.

And a few days ago you presented churchill as classical liberal, which shows you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about.

[Poptech]

@Juan

No, they were not. The anglo-americans were as fascist as the nazis.

Only in your own mind. Have you ever lived in the United States?

@Juan

And a few days ago you presented churchill as classical liberal, which shows you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about.

I presented him as a classic liberal/conservative because he was a member of both parties. Spinning it by leaving out the /conservative is disingenuous propaganda that you like to peddle in. The only one who has no idea what they are talking about is someone like you who doesn’t fact check anything he reads.

[liberty_student]

@Poptech

It is not hard at all, him and Roosevelt were different than the Nazis.

Not really. They were also anti-semites and they were both fascists.

[Poptech]

@liberty student

Not really. They were also anti-semites and they were both fascists.

FDR was so anti-semitic he appointed the first Jewish U.S. Secretary of the treasury? Amazing as most anti-semites blame Jews for financial problems and here is FDR giving the financial keys to the kingdom to a Jew who he allegedly despises? Enough with the BS.

[Juan]

I presented him as a classic liberal/conservative because he was a member of both parties.

Stop lying poptech. You flatly declared that churchill was a classical liberal (and a conservative…), in response to the assertion that the anglo-americans were fascists (which they were, and are).

[Juan]

The only one who has no idea what they are talking about is someone like you who doesn’t fact check anything he reads.

What is it that I didn’t fact check ?

[Poptech]

@Juan

Stop lying poptech. You flatly declared that churchill was a classical liberal (and a conservative

Prove me wrong, quote me. Come on liar.

[liberty_student]

@Poptech

FDR was so anti-semitic he appointed the first Jewish U.S. Secretary of the treasury? Amazing as most anti-semites blame Jews for financial problems and here is FDR giving the financial keys to the kingdom to a Jew who he allegedly despises? Enough with the BS.

Your lack of scholarship on this topic is amazing. You never cease proposing correlation as causation.

[Juan]

Prove me wrong, quote me. Come on liar.

Sonny, go back to the post you write in page 4 (I think) and read it.

[Poptech]

@liberty student

Your lack of scholarship on this topic is amazing.

Was Henry Morgenthau, Jr. Jewish or not? Kind of strange that Jew hater FDR appointing him.

What never ceases to amaze me is your inability to source anything.

[Poptech]

@Juan

Sonny, go back to the post you write in page 4 (I think) and read it.

Quote me liar.

[Juan]

By the way, there’s no such thing as a ‘classical liberal’ party. The liberal party in britain at that time was not a classical liberal party. It was already a socialist party. Calling a somebody a ‘classical liberal’ has precise meaning - you know it - and churchill was by no means a classical liberal.