Wow, I cannot believe I am reading this.
Update: Sarcasm?
Right, and that is true. Man’s natural state is not under a government. If you’re going to assert government, you must bear the burden of proof.
Sure law could be established. I already explained that Mexico and China have different conceptions of law, and they still exchange (interact).
Non-sequitur. All of those governments are in a state of anarchy with one another. They have to negotiate, make contracts (treaties), conform to accepted standards of behaviour, etc. Unless you believe that the UN does, or should govern all countries (global government).
Are you arguing in favour of global government?
Enforcing voluntarism is an oxymoron. Somalia doesn’t have an absence of rulers, you claimed it had warlords. Warlords = government.
Not vessels, property.
Non-sequitur.
Who are the legitimate owners? The people who paid taxes or had their property or labour confiscated by the government. They are the ones whose property has been stolen to fund the government’s activities.
But you are arguing for law. You can’t claim legality doesn’t matter, then question the lack of a monopoly legal system under anarchy. That’s completely dishonest.
As far as unjust, that is what libertarianism is about. A just moral code based on non-aggression. Either the revolutionaries had a moral right to secede, or they were terrorists and murderers of the legitimate British authorities.
You’re completely nailed on this one. The myth of American independence doesn’t jive up with the monopoly coercive state you endorse.
Because they are obligated to protect your property. It is a nonsensical agreement. You have no recourse if they fail. You cannot hire someone else to do it, if they don’t meet your expectations. That is the nature of monopoly.
If you had an insurance firm that didn’t pay out on a loss, that would be fraud. And yet the social contract with the state, is based on loyalty/fealty/taxes in return for defense of liberty/rights/property. However, the contract is not enforceable by a citizen.
The institute is named after a non-anarchist.
Poptech, dondoolee’s post is indeed nonsense. But he’s using sarcasm to mock libertarians. His post is not be taken literally.
Thanks Nir.
Ok got it, sarcasm.
The definitions of the words used do not apply to their usage.
Again a strawman, I made no such claim.
Ok so you are either for or against world government.
If you are against it you assert that nations can coexist in a state of anarchy without a mediator [ a world government ]
Really? So why is the world filled with governments? You would think what is “natural” would appear on the planet somewhere.
So anarcho-capitalism by your logic already exists!
I was never even talking about it, you brought it up as a strawman.
Anarcho-capitalism fails again?
Which government has it’s pirate fleet?
Nope the truth. If you have no morals you don’t care about who you kill or who gets killed.
Who owns government property? You did not answer the question.
I have never talked about succession once. My point was mine or your opinion on the legality of succession is irrelevant since the British government did not view it as legal and it took “violence” to succeed. So stating it is legal is just grandstanding.
Who decides the moral code? I have found no definition in a dictionary to support you usage of the word. You are using subjective arguments based on your morality.
How can I be nailed on a strawman argument?
You sound like a progressive suing a party that did not commit the crime. I cannot hire a private investigator? News to me.
I am not paying the police to sit in front of my house just to respond when I call 911 and they do every time. This has nothing to do with insurance.
That is a misuse of the word anarchy and by your logic, anarcho-capitalism already exists. It is a silly argument that only works on people who do not understand the definitions of words.
It’s called Emergence.
Poptech did you figure out what property rights are yet or are you still slingin’ the tyranny. How do you know mises wouldn’t be an anarchist. From what I can see his logic would have lead him to that. Understand human action.
And this coming from somebody that doesn’t think a light bulb is a light bulb.
Yes. Immaturity (intellectually) and complete lack of logic included.
Non-sequitur.
Anarcho-capitalism exists in certain situations. Absolutely.
No, it is the reductio ad absurdum if you believe it is necessary to have an absolute arbiter of law. So far, you have indicated that there must be an absolute authority.
Yes I did. The people whose property the government stole.
You’re dodging. Were the Founders terrorists and traitors or not?
Ditch the dictionary, stop googling furiously, and start researching libertarianism.
As for who decides the moral code? That’s a good question. I would say it is subjective. Others here would argue it is objective. Regardless, a libertarian is for non-aggression, which necessarily makes him an anti-statist.
It’s not a strawman. I didn’t attribute a position to you. I explained the logical consequences of holding that the American government and Constitution are legitimate. If you believe they are legitimate, then that means that the right of secession is a fundamental human right, as Jefferson wrote in the declaration. Which means the state has no right to force people to cooperate. If you don’t believe secession is a right, or that the state is right to compel then it means the American government is illegitimate.
It’s a very simple logical progression.
An investigator cannot act as your agent in recovery.
Absolutely it does. Libertarians understand the value of insurance, and the purpose it serves to provide a mechanism to price collective risk. Perhaps the argument is too nuanced for you at this point.
We should focus on whether the US government is legitimate or not. Whether individuals have the right of secession that Jefferson wrote about in the Declaration and Kentucky Resolutions.
The tea parties come to mind.
Yeah it was just a joke. The fact that I was actually polite enough to call Giles “sir” in the post should have given it away.