This is not so. Countries and governments are organizations which claim authority over people. They are not “the people”.
Like it or not, Hitler was democratically elected. The point is?
Not necessarily. We could have developed other technologies. Nuclear is not the last and only solution.
It’s a reasoned answer. Your reply was an appeal to emotion.
You mean the only group of mass murderers and nut jobs to ever deploy a nuke against a city, not once, but twice?
What do you mean by position on whether or not governments have rights or not. It’s not a matter of preference. Depending on your own ethics, they either do or do not. Now different ethics could claim they do, but I suspect your own ethics are not consistent with the idea that governments have rights, so the answer should be clear, at least to you.
Second, I’m not afraid of Ahamdinejad. I am scared of my government. They are the ones who will tase me and throw me in prison for not paying taxes correctly, or smoking a plant from my garden. They are the ones who will force me to have medical treatment I don’t want, take my children from me, and make me fight, kill and die in a meaningless foreign war. If you’re scared of Ahmadinejad, you have your blinders on to the threats all around you. My two cents.
Well, I’m just as worried about Iran as I am about the progressive movement in this country. They both worry me.
Weapons have purpose in self-defense, specifically deterrence. Most civilians weapons are of this sort.
I can agree with this.
I think a more effective approach to preventing “rogue” nations from pursuing and using nuclear weapons would be to obsolete the weapon or at the very least cripple their effectiveness. The reason that nuclear weapons are so terrifying is that they are delivered by ICBMs and can strike anywhere in the world with a push of the button. If all these world leaders were truly interested in making the world a safer place they could simply cooperate in the development and share in the cost of developing a missile defense that could obsolete the ICBMs that carry the warheads. But all the fear mongering is not about making you safe from a nuclear attack it is about scaring you into seceding power to government.
Why would anyone want to go against everything that their ‘holy books’ teach them, and annihilate 100’s of thousands of innocent men, women, and children, and irradiate land for hundreds of years? Why cause massive hatred for their religion and fellow peoples for generations to come?
It makes absolutely no sense.
Clearly you have an irrational viewpoint of other cultures. “I’mADinnerJacket” is not a suicidal lunatic.
Why are you so willing to allow other states to hold nuclear weapons? Do you not remember recent history? What of Nagasaki and Hiroshima?
If you’re reasoning is that, 'they are muslims!"- why don’t you learn and understand some of their history? It seems interesting that during the first crusades, when Jerusalem was captured by the Christians, they slaughtered every man, women, and child. When Saladin recaptured it in the end of the 12th century, he put revenge aside, and spared many of the inhabitants of the city.
The entire state is a progressive movement. People who are afraid of Iran are like children, scared of bed time stories or scared of some guy in a bath robe running around the caves of Afghanistan dragging his dialysis machine behind him.
Maybe to you, but I’ve heard what Ahmadinejad has to say about Israel. I think he means business. What happens if he nukes Israel?
Then they get nothing from the tooth fairy.
What kind of a fantasy-land question is this?
Are you certain you’ve had to hear what he’s said? Did you get the words right out of his mouth? Or was it some transcript that at some point said “I want to wipe Israel off the map!”
There are better sources of news than Fox, you know.
Have you? (link)
How can you know this? Because he controls the military (he does not)? Because he has invaded other countries (he has not)? Because he has nukes (he does not)? Because he refuses weapons inspections (he does not)? Because Iran is not a member of the NPT (they are)?
The same thing that happened when the Americans nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Thousand or millions of innocent people will die.
But isn’t Israel the country with nukes, who doesn’t follow international law, who isn’t a member of the NPT, who doesn’t allow weapon inspections?
Alright guys. You see no threat. Fine. But I do.
Those Chinese might nuke us. The U.S. government should nuke them first, right? Maybe the U.S. government should just nuke the rest of the world, then we would not have to worry about all those scary aliens (as the U.S. government likes to call other people).
Do you see any threat from Israel who has nukes and refuses to follow international law or participate like the other nuclear nations in the NPT?
It’s hypocritical to claim fear from a known non-threat, while claiming potential victimhood for a known threat.
I realize being consistent isn’t exactly a strong point, but can’t you see how irrational this position is? You’re basically saying black is white, and white is black. Sure, you have sympathy for Israel, and little or none for Iran. But is that even rational, given that in Israel, there will be people you do and do not like, and likewise in Iran there are probably people you would and would not like.
Or do you claim it is well reasoned to see every Iranian (even the ones completely unknown or known as peaceful) as a threat to you?
At one point Jacob, you’ll have to start to question your premises unless you want to avoid reasoned thinking (ideas which withstand scrutiny).
Sure we see a threat. From the rogue nation. Not from Iran who hasn`t invaded anyone in over 150 years.
Whatever. I’m not here to convince you guys. I’m just saying you’ve not convinced me that Iran isn’t a threat.
Because youre not here to be convinced. Youre not even a part of the reality based community.
I’m just here to learn about the political positions different people take. I have my own.
Wether Iran is a threat is not a political position. It is a reality based position.
I don’t understand the question. Iran certainly isn’t a market nor is there a free market outside of Iran, who would trust something that doesn’t currently exist? However, I think any Iranian, or anyone, or group of “anyones,” certainly should have the freedom to build a nuclear weapon.