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I agree about the legitimacy. The state is simply institutionalized aggression. AnCaps don’t only reject the state, but any attempt at initiating aggression. Hence, our critique is not only of the state but any organization which tries to institutionalize the trespass of rights.

In the libertarian sense, aggression is always initiatory.

If you define aggression to be initiatory, yes. It comes down to semantics (whether you consider retaliation to be aggression).

My point was that most libertarians seem to define “aggression” to be initiatory. You’re right, of course, that it comes down to semantics. But whether a person considers retaliation to be “aggression” doesn’t mean that no distinction can be made between (in this case) “initiatory aggression” and “retaliatory aggression”. After all, “aggression” is just a word. It’s an emotionally/morally loaded word for (most) libertarians, but not necessarily for others. The point is to try to not get hung up over the words, but to get down to the concepts at hand.

aggression:

  1. The act of iniating hostilities or invasion

  2. The practice or habit of launching attacks

  3. Hostile or destructive behavior or actions

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I think it’s pretty common for people to refer to aggression as initiating force. However, people sometimes use the word in a more liberal fashion, such as “Johnny debates aggressively.” However, when people speak of aggressors, they are speaking about who initiated the conflict. Like most words, the true meaning comes down to context.

That’s a pretty fair definition. And then the question becomes a matter of what ‘force’ is. Is jay-walking force or is kicking someone of the road for jay-walking force? Is standing here force when someone has told one not to or is removing a person from that spot force?

I’d say it depends - and I think you would too.

I would. Point? Aggression’s not a neutral term.

$0.02

I gave you my point. What’s yours? What do you mean by “neutral term”?

It all depends on property rights definitions :stuck_out_tongue:

“Point?” in my post is self-referential. I’m not probing you for one, just giving mine.

To be honest, I prefer “coercion” over “aggression”.

Oh okay. I stand corrected then.

Still, you didn’t answer my question - what do you mean by “aggression” not being a “neutral term”?

Do you distinguish between initiatory and retaliatory coercion?