No, like I said Israel still doles out the tax money to the PLO. They are like subjects of Israel.
This isn’t true. They aren’t a State. They are a paramilitary organization that is trying to become a State, but the US and Israel do not allow it. They have territory (referred to as a reservation), but again, they are not ruling by force. ISRAEL rules them by force, they tax the palestinians and dole out the money to the PLO only if they behave as Israel wishes…
You are confusing the realtionships between the two. The PLO is not allowed money to operate until Israel gives it (tax money) to them. The US gives aid to Israel. The US doesn’t tax the Israeli citizens, but Israel taxes the Palestinians. The U.S. gives Israel tax money as a gift. There is a huge difference. Study up, son.
Here it is apparent that Israel has conditions of Palestinian Authority behavior. PA is the SUBJECT of Israel. Israel is sovereign and the PLO is not. Israel has stolen money from the Palestinians in this case.
You stay classy. Your anti-semitism is getting quite irritating. Read the damn wikipedia entry you linked to:
Perhaps it is the case that Israel taxes the Palestinians. But it does not say that here. It does not say that in the source articles that make up that page. All it says is that Israel taxes on behalf of Palestine. And you may notice that it specifically states there that Israel taxes Israeli stuff. It sounds like Israel is taxing Israelis in order to pay money to the PA.
Now, perhaps that is not the case, but the stuff you have provided does not indicate otherwise. Please provide a source that backs your claims. If I have missed something in my reading those sources, please cite and quote the passages.
I don’t understand your fascination with the Jews. Jews are not evil. Jews do not rule the world. I don’t see you condemning Jordan for its history with the Palestinians. Nor do I see you condemning the PLO, PA, or Hamas. All I see is that you are condeming the state of Israel and its conscripts. You didn’t even bother to make a distinction between the conscripts that have aggressed and the ones that haven’t. Since you like to be so picky about words, I’m going to assume that was intentional.
Furthermore, I have stated that I do not believe any libertarian should support or defend either state, yet you seem bent on supporting the Palestinian gangs. As far as I’m concerned, both the Palestinian gangs and Israeli gangs are despicable, but somehow you have yet to actually condemn the Arabs. You have only condemned the Jews.
Interesting. Like I said, you are very choosy in what you say.
I actually study politics. I don’t “a priori hypothesize” like the Clayton in his recent apotheosis worthy ruminations. Kaplan is a big name in academia in case you’d wonder why I’d go to this article. This is the most controversial issue in politics. That is why I am interested in it. That is why you cannot help but claim I am racist. That is why Nom Chomsky has spoken on it for so long. That is why nuclear war looms overhead of the issue.
Did you watch any of the videos I posted? I don’t absolve anyone
I think they are all religious maniacs. Israeli politicians are just as much religious fanatics as those in Iran. I tend to be more sympathetic to the Arabs, however, only because the mainstream Western world has had such a campaign against them. Not to mention the amount of influence that Israel has on US policy is sickening. I certainly don’t get called an anti-semite when I complain about Arabs, do I?
Oh, and the term antisemite…people realize that arabs are semetic too, yes? I can’t be antisemetic if I am pro either one and against the other…again you are in way over your head for real intellectual discussion of this topic. All you are is mad at me and wanting to discredit me in the eyes of others…libel…if only I made money off of this…
If a conscript doesn’t act aggressively then I do not condemn them. However they aren’t the ones that make the news.
Fair fighting is fair. Israel doesn’t fight fair.
Or do only condemn the Israeli State? And not one time “Jews.” I have made this point very clear but YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP.
I am sick and fucking tired of your insinuations. You are piece of shit that cannot help but try and paint me as a racist as your “argumentative tactic.” Fuck you, you disrespectable little kid.
By the way, as occupied territories…the Israelis may be the ones being taxed. That doesn’t change the morality of not allowign the PLO to have a state to operate itself. It still relegates them to the role of subjects. You seem to imply that if Israel is taxing itself that it shouldn’t have to give them anything. And I highly doubt that the goods that the palestinians import aren’t taxed. I’m not sure what, if anything, they produce.
While I am not a supporter of Israel, these civilian casualty ratios are meaningless statistics by themselves. I have yet to see any rational interpretation of them besides “Israel is the devil.”
If the Palestinians are habitually aggressing against the Israelies and getting shot–which I think is an accurate depiction of history–then it’s exactly what you’d expect.
It is a military occupation. Why do you insist on down playing that fact? Seriously, where are the Palestinian helicopters, tanks, bulldozers, white phosphorus, etc.?
The Israelis force martial law upon an almost defenseless people. Strapping together cheap IEDs is the only thing they can do to fight back…(killing civilians probably isn’t their best plan, however)… Are the Iraqis or the Afghanis aggressors when they attack US stuff?
If it were the 60’s I bet you’d be standing up for Britain in Ireland. If it were the 1800’s I bet you’d be standing up for General Sherman, right?
I have never played down that fact. In fact, I have consistently stated that both gangs are aggressors and should not be defended by libertarians. You, however, make it a point to consistently criticize only the gang made of Jews. You only ever “criticize” the Palestinians when I call you out on it. Yet whenever you can, you make disgusting comments such as the Israeli gang being the aggressor, as if the Palestininian gangs are not aggressors.
Wow. Really, you just can’t make stuff like this up. You say defenseless people and the next five words you type are describing how these people are not actually defenseless. And really, I don’t even know what to make of your paranthetical. Killing civilians is not their best plan? Really? I mean, I guess I should be thankful I got that much out of you…but really? I should think that any libertarian worth his salt would think it’s the worst plan. Besides, every time the Palestinian gangs kill an Israeli civilian, they just give more food for the Israeli gang to use as propaganda.
But really, not their best plan. Just wow.
Lol k, kid. I’m against aggression. You apparently are only against aggression unless it’s against the Jews. If it were the 1940’s, I bet you would be standing up for Adolf Hitler, right?
And before you try to start saying that you said “almost defenseless”, you weren’t being honest by saying that cheap IEDs are "____the only" thing they can do to fight back. Because that is not all these gangs have done or are doing. Of course, one of the most famous cases of blatant terrorism was the incident at Entebbe. But please, the Palestinian gangs have been pulling a ton of shit in the last decade.
Only thing they can do my ass. Please, both sides are wrong. Stop trying to pin it all on the Jews. It’s quite unbecoming.
Right. That’s exactly what happens when Palestinian terrorists kill Israeli civilians. I bet the rocks just bounce off the tanks and the Jews in the head. Maybe the rocks hit him in their hooked noses too, eh?
Well, I’m not the one claiming about best plans or anything like that. You are the one saying that killing civilians is “probably not their best plan”. Man, you are just so disgusting.
Absolutely not. I demand that you quote where I have ever said Israel was above criticism. You, on the other hand, have stated that “Israel [is] the aggressor.”
And you brought “If it were the 60’s I bet you’d be standing up for Britain in Ireland. If it were the 1800’s I bet you’d be stnding up for General Sherman, right?”
Your last line of defense.
Man, it really sucks to have Aristophanes on this forum. At least with kylio we know he’s just a troll. But you, man, there is something seriously wrong with you.
Who knows? I can’t predict the future. I would like to think that if the Israeli gang left the Palestian people alone, that the Palestinians gangs would cease to attack Israeli civilians or Israelis in general. But who knows? Maybe not. After all, states and gangs thrive on violence. Maybe they would keep it up in order to provoke attacks by the Israeli gang.
But not only should the Israeli gang cease to rule the Palestinians, they should cease to rule the Israelis. There shouldn’t be a separation. There shouldn’t be borders. I’m a libertarian after all. I’m against states. I would think that goes without saying. But you are the one who blatantly stated that only Israel was the aggressor. And then you pull this nonsense that the Palestinian gangs don’t kill civilians, they throw rocks at tanks…
OOooooohhhhh, I get it. You are Jewish? Is that why you take this so personally?
Dodging the point that Israel has a hostile occupation of foreign territory. More ad hominem.
Everyone of your posts seems to say that the Palestinians killing Israeli civilians is deplorable, but there is no mention fomr you on the fact that Israel kills their civilians as well. And in much higher frequency.
ahahahahahhaha. You keep insinuating I am racist…my guess is in attempts to get the mods to act. hahahaha
There is nothing wrong with me. I think you are taking personal offense to my standing up for the Palestinians. Because if anyone stands up for them, they must be a “Jew hater.” ahahahahaha
