The reason these anarchists hate the state is because they hate capitalism. They believe the state protects private property… lmao!
Under anarcho-commie-ism and anarcho-socialism, I would be able to voluntarily sell you my factory, because their would be no “my factory”.
We’re not trying to be hostile (at least I’m not) towards you. But the “anarchists” at those protest are usually anarcho-commies or anarcho-socialist. So we anarcho-capitalist would agree with them that we should do away with the state, but the differ on what we should replace the current system with. And they don’t hate the state because the state violates private property. To the contrary, they are anti-state because they believe the states protects private property of the capitalist.
I don’t know how you are supposed to help them. I sent my sympathies and they were appreciative because they are humans and like to know that there are people that care when bad things happen.
I understand why they think that the state is bad, if they are indeed anarcho-socialist, and honestly, I didn’t look into it very much. I am trying to start a dialogue with them to see if that is the case and see if maybe we can have a rational discussion about it because it is important to see the other side of things so that you can see where the people went wrong, logically. Were you all inherently born with a knowledge of the economic world, understanding suddenly or immediately that the free-market is the best way to organize such a vast number of people and resources? You woke up at age 20 and went, duh!? No. You either looked for the information or somebody presented it to you.
So, maybe the way you could help them is by not attacking their beliefs because they are self-negating, but instead explain to them how and why they do not make sense, and to let them know there is a better way, a better ideal of what is wrong with what is currently going on and that this ideal, unlike their own, wouldn’t out of necessity lead right back to the current system or something similar.
Enter them into a entrepreneurship based reality tv program, where marxists, anarchists, leninists and trotskyites compete to start up & successfully run a small business for more than just a few days in order to win free goods for their proletariat comrades.
There is also the possibility of a sequel - which, should a miracle occur and one of the contestants actually succeed, the show will focus on the redistribution of wealth. Will the participant give up their worldly goods they worked hard for, to total strangers? Or will they heaven forbid, be selfish?
In all seriousness though, how does someone get rid of envy?
Did they know you were an anarcho-capitalist? Do you think that knowledge would change the way they reacted to your sympathies?
I was on the route to syndicalism through Chomsky. But then Ron Paul came alone. My first exposure to capitalism really, yeww. That was all it took. I’d never been shown an alternative. He oozes integrity, honesty and principles. Ask these guys what they think of Ron Paul.
I tried a while back. Over at revleft. A fair few of us here did. I made a few threads, about the Philosophy of Self Ownership and Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature, looking for responses. The responses were dire, so I didn’t bother at all and instead had some fun in their forum chat. Pretty fun, “hey comrade” lol.. then you ask them about the minimum wage, would you raise it to $50 an hour? No? Why not?
Haha:
https://forum.freecapitalists.org/t/why-communism-will-work-and-capitalism-won-t/6506/215
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I don’t see anything really controversial about this email. They are at least for voluntary association. Now I would hope they take that to its logical conclusion of free trade and buying / selling which implies a system of private property. What I can’t agree with is the destruction of property and I have some hesitation over protesting. They might be wrong on economics but at least these people propound voluntary cooperation.
That was so much fun. Like I said I…love…debating…Marxists. Actual Marxists, not political dark matter socialists who aren’t Marxists and are Socialists simply because they think something is wrong.
Haha. This was friggin’ hilarious! Thank you.
Yeah. Well, I had mentioned to them, I said…I don’t what you mean by anarchist collective, please explain. If you are against capitalism, I think we should discuss this and see where our differences occur. Have you ever heard of the Mises Institute? And then sent me the above reply. They didn’t address the capitalism thing at all, which could mean they don’t want to argue with me, could mean they really don’t care either way.
Yeah. A lot of people got woken up through Ron Paul. I just have to keep trying to get people to understand, anyway, even if nobody else wants to. I mean, I called the state and asked them to steal some of your money and give it to me, since you wouldn’t voluntaryily help me help these people see the way, but then they said they weren’t interested. I told them that was irrelevant because I needed it, and they had no choice but to agree. So, expect an extra $50 taken out of your income tax this week.
These guys/gals are probably Bakuninites or maybe Kroptkinites [?] hence the strong distaste for Marxism. Its actually kind of funny, if you read Marx’s work ‘After the Revolution’ he calls Bakunin a ‘school boy’. A rather stinging 19th century insult. Then again maybe they are Chomskites, that is certainly all the rage with dysfunctional youth, I have yet to discover the reasoning behind it though. Maybe because of his critique on the Iraq conflict.
“Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVDs”
O man! Is this the ultimate violation of property rights in the history of the state? I mean, I know taxes are theft but now they are just gonna take our Buffy DVD’s? Preposterous!!!
When I get home I’m hiding my Firefly DVD box set in the vent… don’t tread on me!
I here you get life in Prison for having the Angel series.