His show is still the fourth highest rated show on cable television, so I wouldn’t call that failing. He’s up to something, considering the show doesn’t actually end until September. As I stated before, I think that he’s going to run against Obama as either a lib or an independent, if one of his favs don’t look like they stand a fair chance at taking the Repub nomination. He is not an ideal lib, but neither am I, and there have been many a LP nomininee that was lacking in the strict libertarian sense. He already has a pretty large base, if his rallies are any indication, and presidents are elected on their popularity and noteriety, not their expertise. And he has shown that he has the ability to effectively hire expertise wherever he is lacking, which is probably everywhere. This is an admirable quality in a president, and one that Obama has not done well in. In the long run, I don’t believe that any human president could do much to alter the curreny trajectory of the state, but it’d be interesting to watch what he could do. I’d sooner vote for Ron Paul, but I doubt that I will ever get that chance before it doesn’t even matter.
Alright, I’ve let this false meme carry on too long. Glenn Beck has not called Woodrow Wilson the father of progressivism. He has called WW the worst president ever, an evil SOB, and a racist. I believe that GB has called Teddy the “father of American progressivism” but also has traced the roots of the American progressive movement as far back as Andrew Jackson and back to the Fabian Society of Britain. I do not always check his facts, but I have checked them before, and never found him at fault. I have disagreed with his analysis, but generally speaking, he seems about as accurate as any other pundit and probably moreso.
“I am not “blaming the Jews”, xahrx, but I would blame Beck for inviting the wrong sort of polemics.” - Prateek Sanjay
Trust me, I know. I was kidding. Admittedly my sense of humor is lost on most people.
I would worry that by running as an independent he would split the vote and have Obama the Destroyer (as Savage calls him) in for another tour of wrecking us.
I know first hand how powerful a following Beck has; I went to the first 912 March on Washington, and trust me, when you see a crowd going from the Capitol building all the way back to the Washington Monument and Lincoln Memorial, so long that you can’t see it end and so wide that it shut down the D.C. roadway system, then compare the pics to Obama’s innaugeration of 1 million people, you know we had well over 1 million, possible even 2 million some estimated. Yet the next day we read how “tens of thousands protested big government.” Yeah, the fu@king liberal media and their bias, they couldn’t stand seeing a huge crowd, possibly the biggest ever in D.C., organizing to oppose growing tyranny.
I have to say, that was probably the most beautiful thing I’ve ever witnessed and been a part of. Really, the site of Gadsden flags in conjunction with some American flags from modernity and the original 13 states was nothing short of beautiful. Beck wasn’t even there, yet his word started it all. At least for that I will always admire him. Too bad the movement isn’t helping with these assh0les in the House after the Tea Partiers voted them in.
I have to say, though, that day showed me that there are millions others like me. Sure, there were mixtures of all kinds of people; hell, one guy on our bus dressed up like Patrick Henry, who was vehemently opposed to the U.S. Constitution, lol. I’d say the prevailing theme there was the support of the 10th Amendment (states’ rights).
Still, though, I hope he doesn’t run as an independent and split the vote. He talks too much about a third party, and it worries me. Name me one independent candidate that has won in the last 50-100 years in a super important election and compare it to the amount of failures. It sucks, I know, but the reality is the political machine exists, and if you aren’t part of it, you’ll likely not get enough votes to take the victory and you will simply help out your opponent.
I really hope you’re kidding. You make it sound like YouTube is some kind of doldrums in the deep recesses of the Internetz that you can only find with magnifying glass and and compass. First of all I shouldn’t have to tell you the popularity of a site like YouTube and how many viewers it gets every day. But go to that site and do a search for “Milton Friedman”. You’ll get no less than 5000 hits of clips and full programs of the man spreading brilliance and devouring anyone who dares debate him. The vast majority of those clips are over 30 years old…and have more than 100,000 views each. The “what is greed” clip from the Donahue show in 1980 has over 1.22 million views alone.
Quite the contrary to the way you make it sound, YouTube is giving new life to these things and is bringing these lectures and interviews to more people than ever before.
Well, Brutus; you certainly have good reasons for holding such a position. Personally, I’m past the point in life where I can honestly expect anything of significance to change in the politcial realm within the remainder of my lifespan. So I don’t think it really matters that much if GB runs or does not, or splits the vote or does not. Sure, it matters to whoever gets into office; but they don’t matter to me. Case in point; Ron Paul has been saying the same stuff for so long that you can literally splice his speeches together across a 30 year span and listeners might have trouble determining which quote is recent. And yet, he is still irrelevant. It’s certainly good that Ron Paul and his son are there in congress to say these things, but they are alone. Mr Smith goes to Washington is not reality. The lone voice crying in the wilderness always sounds frustrated because he has been crying like that for decades and nothing changes. Ron Paul seems like the one person in Washington who is not affected by it, and when Rand was campaigning, I personally asked him the question, “Do you really believe that you can affect Washington more than it will affect you?” (that’s the redacted version) His response was slow in coming, but amounted to “I don’t know, but I feel that I must try”. GB probably feels the same way. Basicly that it’s only proper to exhaust all peaceful avenues before resorting to the last. I admire that, but I don’t believe that it will work.
RJM II is Liberte/Vichy Army. He has said exactly the same things that Vichy Army said word for word. The only female here is ladyphoenix. Nobody pretends to be a married, mild-mannered woman on the internet.
So challenge him/her to a Skype duel. I’d love to listen in if you do so 
Why? I’m just pointing out the facts for the record.
Facts? It’s incredibly difficult to say that one person is, in fact, another. There needs to be more sufficient evidence than ‘writing style’ or ‘point of view’.
I suppose the mods could check based on IP address, but that’s for them to know and not us. Besides, anyone can use a proxy.
“I hope you’re kidding” - John James.
I’m not disagreeing what you said. I said that what is on TV will ultimately go down the memory hole, unless someone throws it on youtube. In addition, someone must search for it as well.
But on the other hand, people overestimate the ‘internet being forever’, too. Because it is ‘forever’ for all things, it also has to compete with a deluge of info. People don’t keep all info in their memories forever. Milton Friedman may be as important as Fred. Mostly people are chopping up 3 minute clips from Beck’s show that show something conservative in some overly convoluted/paranoid manner… or something edited by liberals to prove that he is dumb. Mostly the latter.
So it is not long-term, or maybe even short-term, ‘victory’ if some person is on TV espousing something. Someone may spend 20 years trying to get on CNN for 2 minutes to speak some truth. It won’t change the fact that someone who easily got in the door will say the usual nonsense and people’s minds will go back to their old beliefs.
I find one common perspective between the two:
Outside of pro-Chinese chauvinism, I don’t see much. Do remember that L / VA was an East Asian woman, while RJM II says, “These people are better than us.” Why would an East Asian woman lump herself in with European Americans and say East Asians are better than her?
"Alright, I’ve let this false meme carry on too long. Glenn Beck has not called Woodrow Wilson the father of progressivism. He has called WW the worst president ever, an evil SOB, and a racist. I believe that GB has called Teddy the “father of American progressivism”
Well if he really believed that then why is he always going after Wilson? Why not talk about how Roosevelt was so ingrained with imperialism that he wanted to have war for the sake of war? Or Albert Beveridge’s constant push toward the China market through the conquering and colonizing of the Phillipines?
“but also has traced the roots of the American progressive movement as far back as Andrew Jackson and back to the Fabian Society of Britain”
If you have the quote or article in which Glenn Beck thinks Andrew Jackson is a progressive I would like to see it. And “back” to the Fadian Society? The Fabians were just coming around the same time as the Populist Party in America.
‘I have disagreed with his analysis, but generally speaking, he seems about as accurate as any other pundit and probably moreso.’
Because these pundits are never accurate. They aren’t historians. They are amateurs.
Because he doesn’t like him.
I might be confusing GB with regard to Andrew Jackson, I can’t remember. But GB’s opinions on the Fabian Society was deep, it took him weeks just to lay it all out. And no, the Fabian Society is older than even it’s own official history implies.
Everything is relative. A professional family doctor from 1950 couldn’t even pass the requirements to be a nurse practitioner today.
“Because he doesn’t like him.”
Because…?
“I might be confusing GB with regard to Andrew Jackson, I can’t remember. But GB’s opinions on the Fabian Society was deep, it took him weeks just to lay it all out. And no, the Fabian Society is older than even it’s own official history implies.”
Then by all means, enlighten me as to the time period in which the Fabian society started.
“Everything is relative. A professional family doctor from 1950 couldn’t even pass the requirements to be a nurse practitioner today.”
How is this at all an argument against what I said about pundits and their accuracy in history?