Hans-Hermann Hoppe

Yes, and the same can be said about any other “fairy tale” type behavior. Giles will gladly step in for me and give some good reasons why hippieness should vanish from the earth. Some ecologically sensitive parents may also freak the hell out of their children with their Gaia beliefs.

Now what? How do you feel about that? Maybe a libertarian society needs CPS to make sure everyone gets their right indoctrination? “I will now force you to accept liberty”?

By the way, children are totally unrelated to our topic. Strawman told me he’s pretty annoyed now.

You missed my point. I argued that considering my personal experiences with small community living, I find it not unlikely that one single person might homestead property that can sustain a considerably larger number of inhabitants later on.

I did not advocate homesteading already homesteaded property.

Right now? Yes.

You know, once upon a time in a land called America, there were communities that consisted of people of the same religion only. Indeed, this was not a random act of nature, but a conscious decision on behalf of the settlers to live like that.

Of course, already existing communities might have a much greater diversity of people living in them. However, it cannot be ruled out that, say, a very devouted Catholic community buys up all the land in one particular village area to establish the kind of property constellation I described above.

Why are you so hostile towards religious communities?

And to what extent did my “massive homesteading” or “mutually agreed-upon community living” examples violate anyone’s rights?

The only valid point that has been made is that it’s highly unlikely. So? Should we not tolerate this kind of behavior because it’s uncommon?

Juan’s missing the time aspect. First one community founder acquires the land, and then he develops the community by attracting people who find value in living amongst people who share their beliefs, who become his tenants in exchange for not having the burden of land ownership.

You can see a narrow application of this in a shopping mall.

This would be an oxymoron. An all-powerful state would not and could not practice economic liberalism (by the classical definition).

Because Juan is an angry little man. He couldnt stand the thought that somewhere, some people may live happily in a religious community that discriminates against people like him.

I personally find Hoppe to be brilliant, and basically agree with everything he says.

What’s with all the name calling today?

Translation : quite in the spirit of libertarianism I’m a member of the little Hoppe cult and parrot everything he says.

Of course. Exactly my point. Earth worshipers are no different than people who believe in the jesus myth or any other fairy tale. All those myths rely on fraud. which, you know, might be problematic…

You mean witch-burning puritans ?

Am I ?

Juan is an anti theist from one of the one world’s most catholic countries, no wonder he has a chip on his shoulder.

So, because you consider religions to be fraudulent, you draw which kind of logical line to property associations based on one of them … ?

Strawman wants a pay raise now.

At least you seem to be bending over backwards to demonstrate how they are not compatible with libertarian principles.

Isn’t it like this everyday?

Not this bad.

How is that a strawman? It is an example from history of how a particular religion was used as a pretext to murder and violate rights. That is not a strawman.

I log on, and see at the top of the forums “Hans-Hermann Hoppe” and thought, “this will get really ugly”.

Surprisingly, no one has accused anyone of being a monarchist yet, so perhaps it won’t get as hot as it could.

If I remember correctly, the topic was the unlikelihood of a larger community forming around a single core value. I cited religious communities in the colonial United States as an example. Juan then proceeded to say that they burned witches.

That seems to not exactly match the topic. Thus, I called it a strawman.

By the way, I heard LibertyStudent has a crush on Queen Elizabeth. [:P]

It’s not so much that what Professor Hoppe has to say is hard to swallow. It’s the fact that it’s hard to swallow, but worse, it’s well argued. See that’s why everyone from Tom Palmer to BP will go out of their way to smear Professor Hoppe as some sort of racist Neo-Nazi/ monarchists, because actually refuting what he say is so difficult.

Anyway, in case anybody doesn’t know I’m a huge fan of Professor Hoppe, and rank him far above Rothbard in terms of greatness and contributions to Austrian Economics. His book D:TGTF is groundbreaking and his book A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism is a very well argued extension to Power & Market in my opinion that follows on from Rothbard and elaborates clearly.

As for the insults, no doubt I’m guilty here, but it’ll stop once I begin reading again after the holidays are over, I suppose.

My friends know me as the Duke of URL.

I told you your knowledge of this hell hole, sorry, of ‘my country’ is…incomplete. So, for the record, argentina is nominally catholic. I’ll hang myself if more than 10% of the population ever go to church.