If you saw the place I came from before I created my own project, you would know argument does not phase me…
I will have to look them up, but as I see it IP is a natural right of man, and covered in the Constitution as such in the 9th Amendment…
Well then what would you call a small government advocate that is against government involvement in the market…
Basically I advocate all voluntarism, in regard to market, but would prefer to have that flag to keep other governments at bay…
Thank you for taking the time to explain…
lol Is that what you meant by that video you posted. I watched the video and thought he was making fun of the “flag people”, but then you said you agree with small government “flag people”, so, I fell into a paradox waiting to see how this would be explained in time. It’s amazing how perspective plays a huge role, at times, in the same event.
Basically the thought that the flag mentality is silly, but necessary to ensure the liberties of the individuals here are respected by other nations…
A free market anarchistic society with perfect liberty would be optimal, but as Utopian as Marx’s classless Communist society…
In Short, relevance to reality requires working with the real issues of the world, not the Utopian ideal
Me 16 months ago.
Security and law can be provided by the market.
This is a frequent discussion here. People working through a reconciliation of liberty with nationalism.
Same here. If you stay long, you will probably end up rejecting all government that does not have consent of the governed. Otherwise, it is just rule by those in power over those not in power, and is completely arbitrary and tyrranical.
I am at odds in my own web page with a member on the same subject…
I do not like the notion of nationalism, it is not a matter of believing in national superiority, rather a matter of sovereignty and giving people the liberty to chose…
Let us face facts, there are people who prefer government involvement, granted they are misguided into believing it will stop with social programs, but any case these people exist, so to have freedom that cannot be so easily effected by these people, giving them the option to live outside the market system is necessary, but then there is the issue of what those governments will do to a place that puts all value in the free market. This is the necessary role I see in government, and quite frankly, The only role.
Liberty can only work world wide if all the people actively choose it, but for that to happen, there has to be a place for those who refuse it as well…
Already at the point of rejecting government without consent of the governed, just making my point that my aspect of consensual governance is to avoid the “we have a flag” notion of imperialism. I am for voluntary involvement in government, that is only voluntary taxation, and the inherent right of man to not financially support a government that he does not agree with, which in turn give true power to the governed…
I’m not sure that is coherent. We need a government because some people want it?
I’ll agree with you that real liberty is all or nothing, but at an individual, not a collective level.
Darn it, I was trying like heck to not challenge your minarchism! lol
Hello Harry…
Maybe we are both going to learn…for me it is more a question of language…
Capitalism is the only social system which recognizes the Individual and his Rights…but you already know that…[;)]
Hello, and welcome!
I just have a couple of simple question for you. If intellectual property exists, how does one steal it? And copying is not a synonym of stealing. Also, if IP really exists, then would you be OK with someone being able to “own” it indefinitely? Meaning they can sell it or pass it on to someone else? Lastly, can you provide an actual definition as to what IP is? Is a letter of the alphabet IP? If not, why not? What is the arbitrary line that says once there are 5 or 500 letters strung together it becomes IP?
A letter of the alphabet can not be considered intellectual property, but a common one…I would draw an arbitrary line to a sentence who makes sense…lolz…
If someone is going to purchase a painting or a book, then, yes, those IP would be his indefinitely…and one can do whatever he wishes with his acquisition, sell it or pass it on to someone else…property right… once released, an IP does not belong only to you anymore, this is obvious…
I am unsure what you mean by actual definition…
If I did not want a challenge would I be posting on the topic still, challenges are what prove the stance…
We need a government because in the event of other governments existence, or I should say inevitability, it protects the sovereignty of the individual from external sources, the challenge is then on the individuals to defend their sovereignty from their own government, as they are not beset on by external forces, delegating that responsibility upon the general government…
Are you saying, clarify so I understand you correctly, that the individual can’t protect his or her sovereignty against governments but must do so against their own government? Is that what you said here?
This is kind of backwards… Intellectual property is not only the concepts of the mind, it is the product of the concepts of the mind, copying for the purpose of production when such property is protected is a violation of the right of the originator. We must remember our markets are not all cogs and widgets, but also Art, Literature and the like. One is not saying that there cannot be versions that are similar (copies) but duplication (plagiarism), or theft of the schematics that are in line for production (which would be stealing) is stealing intellectual property.
Proprietary formulas come to mind when you say this and yes I think that is perfectly acceptable
Intellectual property is the creation of the mind for the means of production, or an idea that has commercial value, IP ranges in example from literature and art to architectual drawings and “widget” schematics. The moment it is to exchange hands for value, it leaves the realm of IP and enters the realm of property…
Sort of…
We must really look toward the founding of this country to understand where I am coming from…
The real reason we left ways with England, was that we had no representation, they were not accountable to the people here in the colonies, to form that government here made that government well within reach of the people, therefore accountable and able to better act against…
I will explain further, I have to go now…
A book or a painting are physical objects, not intellectual property. If anything, IP is the information encoded in the physical objects.
Well, there’s reverse engineering…
Well this is the largest Empire (with a military stationed in over 170 countries and a fiat currency that is currently the world reserve but who knows how much longer that will be, etc…) that humans on earth have been able to record that we know about today. If that’s what we have been “able to better act against…”.
I think the government steals and murders and is immoral and unlawful. I can’t voluntarily succeed (individual succession) and keep my liberty, life, and property without the government violating these rights with coercion, but I’ll wait til you explain further.