Help! This Keynsian guy says government CAN AND DOES create wealth..refutations?

No. Wealth is only created in a mutually beneficial action. Otherwise it is simply transferred.

Im not sure I know what you mean by wealth. Wealth creation from what I understand is the production of things that people value. Wealth can be and is created even by slaves. Being a slave dosent mean your production has no value, only that the slaves production has no value to the slave.

By your logic, I could force you to give me your wallet and claim I’ve created wealth. As Paul points out above, if you enslave a population you have not created wealth, even if you force them to do something productive.

I’m not sure anyone would claim that the act of taxation, stealing a wallet or the enslavement of people is the act of creating the wealth. I think the arguement is more along the lines of can what you have taken by force be used to create wealth?

Yes they can. History is full of examples. Southern slavery, colonialism, fuedalism… all economic systems based on the use of force and coercion that also produced large amounts of wealth.

Could more or less wealth be created if they didnt take the money in the first place? Well that where the rest of your post comes in. And I think we agree that the only way to tell is throught mutually beneficial exchange.

But the question is what would have been produced if the wealth had not been taken from those who had produced it.