How is it that the Mises ideal is so specially different from other ideals?

You know I am a natural rights theorist.

Yes in the sense that it is an ethical system whose basis is that the maximization of social welfare is the highest end to be pursued. No in the sense of what that goal is.

Reason would be sufficient for me. How can you propound a system of economical theory concerning private property while also announcing that no one has a right to defend said property from trespassers, that we have a right to reside in an environment free of coercion? You say Austrian-ism is objective, but how can you have things like double inequality of value, or any subjective evaluation of goods and services if you don’t have a objective system of property rights and if you have such a system then why not also an ethical / legal system that espouses true ethical statements such as

Stealing is wrong

Taxation is stealing

Therefore taxation is wrong.

You can’t have a system of property rights without a system of legal codes and if you have such a system then you have an objective ethical system that applies to all who reside in a given area.

If you want to be nasty then that is your choice, I’m content with the knowledge that I at least made an effort to be kind.

We covered this. Non-cognitivism is emotivism, the theory that ethical statements don’t express truth. It is rather stupid.

I don’t.

Did I?

Don’t agree.

I wasn’t aware I was nasty.

The rules of natural law haven’t undergone much change since the Greeks.

Then what economic theory do you propound?

Yes you did. One of the things I noticed that was strange, Austrian economics gives objective truths but ethical systems are completely subjective.

Explain the enforcement of property rights without a legal system. Explain how you even have the concept of property without such a system.

Right, you just make a statement about how ‘us guys’ marginalize ourselves and you are being kind.

It doesn’t depend. You either were (are) calling me a joker or not. Facts, you know. Realism. Although your thoughts are not material & ‘observable’, you do know what you were doing, and it was either A or not-A.

Anyway, I don’t really care if you call me a joker or not - it doesn’t make feel anything. I was just curious about your ‘personal’ ethics.

As to pretending that my accurate description of ethical subjectivism was comedy, well, thanks, if you laughed at it, that sort of concedes the point that ethical subjectivism is a joke.

Hardly stupid considering that no ethical statement has ever been proven as truth.

Yet not all the Greeks agreed to the rules, nor were they ever proven as being. Its as silly as utilitarianism and the social contract theory in my opinion.

Why not?

So stealing isn’t immoral?

What would it take for you to be proven they exist?

Why do you ask ? Why should I answer ?

Ask fedex to mail them an ounce of ethical truth.

What is strange about that? One of the objective truths from Austrian economics, is the subjective theory of value.

Co-operation.

Ha, you brought up marginalizing first! Priceless.

Morality and ethics are not the same thing.

I ask because I care about you Juan. I care so much it hurts.

Economics deals with human action while ethical systems deal with which human actions are acceptable and unacceptable.

Cooperation over what? Without property rights what is there to cooperate over?

My comment was concerning the viewpoint of logical positives towards ethical theory. I don’t see how me saying that means you aren’t rude for making an insulting remark about me.

I’ll respond to your retorts on this topic tomorrow for anyone who has any.

## eth⋅icsA [Use **ethics** in a Sentence](http://ask.reference.com/web?q=Use+ethics+in+a+Sentence&qsrc=2892&o=101993)[See web results for **ethics**](http://ask.reference.com/web?q=ethics&o=100049)[See images of **ethics**](http://ask.reference.com/pictures?q=ethics&o=100049) -plural noun

(used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.

the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.

moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.

(usually used with a singular verb) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.

I made an insulting remark about you? When?

I think it is, I can’t prove anything though.