God and family are not part of paleolibertarianism.
Then you apparently need to read more about it. The “hardcore roots” your talking about is God and family and attempting to keep it that way.
I think if we take an expansive view of Paleolibertarianism to mean having traditional family values, religion etc. as a root for a free society, then I think the net cast would be too large. For instance, then we would have to include F.A. Hayek who saw a beneficial and even vital role of these organizations play in a free society, as well as Walter Block who I believe has stated that he is not a believer but a friend to the church because of how it opposes the state.
Thus, we would seem to have a movement with no coherence, as a godfather of PaleoConservatism Hoppe, certainly disagrees with Hayek on many points, but maybe not the above one so much. Also, Hoppe and Block disagree in regards to immigration, one of the main things that could be said led to a reaaproachment of paleocons and paleolibs however, it was clearly never succesful.
Therefore, I think we should instead take a more narrow view of Paleolibertarianism, to just mean bringing back libertarianism to a more Misean/Rothbardian framework that existed more uniformely at the beginning of the self conscious libertarian movement as well as the writers of the Old Right which had a great influence on Rothbard in his formative years.
You guys are entirely missing the point. I don’t care if they like God or want a traditonal family. A lot of people believe in those things without even being conservative. I just don’t like the fact how paleolibertarians think conservatism and libertarianism are like peanut butter and jelly. Paleolibertarians think the only way to keep a true libertarian society, is to keep it conservative. I don’t see why that’s necessary. They remind me of nosy neighbors who don’t own my property, but try to tell me what I can or can’t do on it. Paleolibertarians don’t mind changes in business, but OH NO! We can’t have changes in family structure and religion. That would be un libertarian.
I would agree with you on that point. I don’t think anyone can truly know what an absolute liberal order would look like. In my opinion there would probably be a plethora of communities advocating different ideals.
Heck, even in the hampered market societies of the 19th century and today we saw all sorts of weird attempts at communal living, non-traditional family structures etc. I do think some PaleoCons overstate the traditional familt thing quite a bit, when they could just as easily talk about non-traditional environments in an absolute liberal order.
In fact, they might underestimate the power of capitalism and free enterprise to diversify society in some ways. I mean just look at the plethora of people, interests and subcultures on the internet which are regularly made and even translate outwards into the physical world.
Being involved in Sci Fi/Anime fandom, I think I have seen many ‘non-traditional’ groupings emerge out of say the net and translate into a ‘sponteaneous order’ like grouping of people based on similar values, tastes etc. Therefore I tend to think that in the absolute liberal order a wide range of diersity will rule the day, though I still admit the impossibility of imagining what it would look like.
What should I read? Do you have some quotes to back this up?
I think Some Paleo conservatives favour(ed) a primitive southern agrianism like Richard Weaver for example.
and on Paleolibertarianism I don’t understand why they think cultural conservatism and libertarianism go hand in hand It’s their perspective though but whatever.I just think we shouldn’t mess cultural beliefs and political ones.I’m not into ‘thick libertarianism’.Oh and they don’t say opposing cultural conservatism is unlibertarian just they don’t like it.
Pretty much this. Paleoconservatism is basically classical liberalism, minus a few issues in favor of the state. Those issues are too different from one person to the next to define, but immigration comes to mind as one that almost all agree upon; namely, the suppression of “illegal immigration”. Wage-rate protectionism also seems to be popular.