The system is and will be inadequate if these demands are met, but people do not usually see this, most people, especially Americans, simply ask for more help from the system whenever the State fails, thus increasing State power. I simply view this as a positive feedback effect. While I agree that it is a good time for people to listen to anarchists, I doubt that most will, since most people see only the ‘seen,’ that is, the personal ‘benefit’ of a proposed policy, like for example, a universal healthcare system, as opposed to the ‘unseen’ that is, a horrid healthcare system over time due to inefficiencies.
And if you’d actually read a bit, you’d see that’s what has been done for years around here.
“All of the corruption and brutality they think they oppose are symptoms of the same essential political ideology they favor.”
Again, because “these people” who you claim have no control over it made it politically profitable for people in government to force banks to give loans to people who couldn’t pay them back. Politicians would not have been interested in lowering lending standards if it had saying things like “home ownership is at an all time high” and “we want everyone to own their home” had not been useful in getting them re-elected.
“Blah blah blah I don’t have anything to say so I’m going to make general accusations about nameless people who populate a forum.”
the standard opinion of most employers is that you need a certificate to even get throught the door for an interview
I don’t agree. There are a lot of jobs which require no degree. Experience, yes, but not a degree.
Sure, if you show me where I’ve already done that. Truth is, all I did was ask if you were a socialist and you replied “sure am.”
Not as if I needed you to actually say it, you make it quite obvious with all the things you whine about and the claims you make and the pure economic illiteracy and neglect of individual rights that you display on a constant basis. I was just curious if you’d admit it. But yes, do please show me where I used any one of those three words to describe you.
I think you’ll find the only one who has ever used them is…you. Self-hatred much?
I’m sure it is. I only wish I could say the same for you.
I didn’t decide to forget anything. I never saw it. And this is a textual forum. On the Internet, no less. You don’t have to repeat yourself. See there’s this thing called “cut and paste”, which is an operation you can perform on a “computer” (that’s the thing you’re using to read this right now) and it allows you to reproduce text that has already been written. Here’s a link explaining how to do that.
See how that works? That*'s* called a “hyperlink”. It’s a feature that allows you to electronically link to other areas of the Internet or any networked area. That means you don’t even have to use the cut and paste feature, you could just provide a link to all this grand explanation you’ve supposedly given before that I’ve “forgotten”. My guess is, if you can seem to figure out how to do that, any link you come up with would be in a thread I wasn’t active in.
See, now here, you’re either providing excellent evidence of your ignorance (as Clayton was describing something quite basic), or you’re just being very rude. Either way, I don’t quite see how this is supposed to put you on some ground to criticize people for not being considerate.
Does anyone have sources backing up the claims above? One is claiming that one needs a degree to get to most job interviews while one is claiming the complete opposite.
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For the most part, I agree with Birthday Pony here… I think most here forget the market-socialistic/mutualistic influence that anarcho-capitalism has (tucker, Spooner). While personal debt is the individual’s responsibility, there is still a much bigger picture here, and that is that the system as a whole is screwed up and needs to change.
The main problem i have with the riots is that it does not see the system as the problem. They are merely asking for government aid, which is not changing the system at all. In fact, this is only going to encourage the expansion of the system, if the demands are met, which the State, as a whole, would love this since they would now have more influence on specific policies.
in other words, they are indirectly advocating the expansion of the system they supposedly hate.
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a) I in no way see how this echos the pony.
b) Literally everything you said after that first paragraph is fleshed out in the Mises Daily on the topic. Seriously what you just wrote could serve as a summary for it. In fact Gregory’s version of your last sentence is one of the parts of the article that is blown up and placed in the margin.
I think Gregory’s article captures precisely the view of most here.
BP, you have not stated what your basic principles/axioms/assumptions are. You stated that you will not tell us what you think:
You know, I was actually going to put something thoughtful here about my take on the protests now and then realized none of it is really going to get through, so fuck it
Then why say anything here at all if nothing will get through to us?
“Great. So stop saying you have a “right” to the services of others.”
Eh, I was going to respond to this, but I’m much more interested in the psychology behind your interest in me.
THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DEBATE. Do you have an entitlement to other people’s lives or not?
But maybe you like to be an anarchist hipster:
Opposition to hierarchies is a good definition of Anarchism, and I think the grey area of what constitutes a hierarchy really is a strong point of the definition and not a fault of it. It leaves Anarchism up to individual interpretation so that it can continue to grow and explore areas of anti-authoritarianism that have not yet been questioned.
And
Nothing should be illegal. Nothing should be legal for that matter.
Might as well add “Nothing should be” to the list and we’re good to go. You want to destroy social norms all the while creating some society that you want:
Anarchists seek to abolish hierarchy in all realms, including the social realm. The idea is to create social norms
Which one is it?
You’re very careful and ambiguous on the FLL while on here you want to appear completely thought-out.
Drop one of the two facades and speak your mind.
Does anyone have sources backing up the claims above?
I know that this is arguing from a small sample size, but when my family came to the US my dad was able to find 2 jobs in computer science without any degree or prior work with computers (besides making his own website). I myself have made two websites for people, so I know that there are jobs. If there isn’t a job - make one. Picking up a computer language is fast and easy and can land you website making jobs fast.
I am sure there is plenty of evidence of jobs which don’t require degrees as well (I can’t currently provide a link, sorry).
I agree that it is definately possible that there are plenty of jobs out there that require no degree but that is not the issue here…the issue is whether most jobs require a degree or not. Generally, people take claims with a grain of salt. It is best to back it up.
Beat me to it and nailed it.
memetic vaccine
Interesting idea. I have come to a similar idea about the concept of government=mafia. If someone has been exposed to the analogy before and has had it ridiculed in front of his eyes, it is less effective.
I think brutal foreign dictatorships (and the somtimes caricatures thereof) serve this role. They are the worst case scenario of corrupt and tyrannical government but even people under such governments clearly recognize that there must be some government. Hence, this proves that we cannot live without government and makes the idea that modern, enlightened, tolerant, caring, secular, democratic governments are abusive, criminal or tyrannical look as foolish as it deserves to look. Oh, boohoo, you have to get a driver’s license in order to drive on public roads. If you were born female under the Taliban, you just may have been subjected to female genital mutilation (of course, if you were born a male under the US government, you would almost certainly have been subjected to male genital mutilation, er, I mean “circumcision”).
Clayton -
“BP, you have not stated what your basic principles/axioms/assumptions are. You stated that you will not tell us what you think”
lol! It’s like everyone here has amnesia. I suppose that when I first posted on this thread everyone here assumed I was an anarcho-capitalist or a Misesesesesesianeses. No. This time I’m not going to repeat myself. I’m willing to admit that I can’t amply explain myself at this point, so I’m going to carry on.
And John James, good god do I pity you. I know I have a problem with getting the last word and incessently posting, but it’s like you can’t ever resist. I’m surprised you give such an ignorant person such as myself the time of day.
Dear, if it’s really “everyone here has amnesia”, just post a link to all this supposed explaining you’ve done and prove it already. It’s just comical to watch you dance around with “I’m not going to repeat myself! Nope! Not this time!”. I mean, has that ever actually worked? On the Internet? Really, just post a link and prove everyone ignorant.
I don’t want to justify this kind of bullshit with a response. Everyone knows my first post here turned into like 6 pages of capitalism vs. socialism bullshit, and we all kept talking past each other. At this point, if you’re still talking past me, then I don’t give a shit.
And why do you keep calling me pet names? Do you think you’re the first person to do that? Do you think its sweet or are you just trying to get under my skin? Hell, for all you know I could be a 28 year old black man. That you must cling so hard to gender indentification on the internet (a place where anonymity is supposed to be a valued asset), is ridiculous. Its like you don’t know how to talk down to me without pigeon-holing me into one of your preconcieved notions. I can just see you thinking: “ah, she’s one of those feminist types. I’ll use pet names to piss her off,” the same way you’re thinking, “ah, a socialist. I’ll go with the ‘steal my shit’ trope.” It’s almost as if you’re just a very ugly individual on the inside. Why are you really so incessant? I don’t think it’s because you actually give a shit what I think.
…so I take it you don’t have any links?
I don’t even understand this trend if it is one. I myself am very emotional(and enjoy it that way,) and I find that one person forcing their will on another human to be something completely reprehensible and my heart goes out to anyone who has to suffer from a situation like that. Anyone who wants to use force on another human being has no moral highground and I have no idea when they(current liberals) got to be the ones that “own” the feeling of being sympathic to another human being. Libertarians should have a super easy time making any emotional arguments- don’t know why they don’t do it more often it usually works more for me than argumentation with the average democrat/republican.