Because you think I am racist? I love anarchists.
“We don’t want authority. Oh, I can’t wrap my head around others beliefs, get rid of them figure of power!!”
Lots of respect for individualism and breadth of opinions here…
because it is always exercised by a human agent, who is inherently self-interested. If you put over sight on him, you only put power in the hands of another individual to do something, he will always choose to perform his duties in a self-interested way.
those events are properly considered as complicated interactions between individuals.
have you never seen the public service announcements that encourage participation without encouraging the audience to study the issues?
felons, minors, people who arent registered…there is widespread disenfranchisement because of voter fraud…and the limitation of choices are all seconday arguments compared to the fact that voting collectivises decision-making, which distorts cause/effect and reward/punishment relations. I thought you were a poly sci major?
I thought we were talking about the real world here. Of course theres a republican element, the point is that democracy through a two-party system is also oligarchic. Do you contest that assertion?
if someone has taken the time to become an engineer of nuclear physics, or a neurosurgeon, I can hardly understand why you might blame them for not also studying world events for the time it would take to unravel such a well-crafted line of bullshit. Particularly when an individual is well-versed in complicated things that are difficult to explan to laymen and krugman writes for the ny times.
yes, lets vote for the other party this time! What dont you see?
It does not necessarily follow that people who respect their culture or heritage would be offended by a methodologically individualistic approach to history, politics, or economics. Your earlier statement could be read as presumptuous and condescending but unlike yourself, I can have a discussion without ascribing dubious implications to my counterpart every other post or so. You really need to grow up.
Somewhat ironic, as you have gotten to be the least respectful person on the forums.
I gues I do not (and probably am not willing to) disassociate the agency of the voter and the facilitation of that position power. The voters are all self-interested.
haha, okay. Is that all there is to it?
“Vote or Die,” yes I am aware of those campaigns. What does it matter?
Okay, yeah I don’t count felons…(I know there is not universal justification for their exclusion), or minors as they are still legally the responsibility of the parents. "people who aren’t registered? You mean people who don’t vote? Or illegals who cannot register? If they are choosing not to vote they they can’t be disenfranchised.
“there is widespread disenfranchisement because of voter fraud” - something else that people are keenly aware of, but do nothing about…
I fail to recognize how the rest of this section is releveant in light of your previous statement of “I cant help but think youre implying that suffrage is universal in Israel and the US…surely youre aware thats not the case.” Really, how does that relate to, “voting collectivises decision-making, which distorts cause/effect and reward/punishment relations.”?
No, but I add that there is an element of agency in the voter than cannot be dismissed simply because of TPTB.
I’d question why they are voting? And if they aren’t, then I am not talking about them.
What?
First, I doubt that I am the most disrespectful as I only took offense when allegations started being thrown at me (which you, Malachai, started).
I’d rather be sincere in my opinions and not put words in people’s mouths (like you)…is that Ironic, Malachai?
Also, “you have got to be” is the correct way to state what I think you were saying. More grammar debates?
The point I was making is that it generally does. And you’re right it doesn’t necessarily follow (we both made the same error), but the rhetoric and immideate withdraw into subjectivism gets that impession across quite consistently.
Why is libertarianism so unpopular in Europe? Why do people dislike atheism and anarchy? They see it as an affront to them.
No, you cannot. If you could then you wouldn’t have put words in my mouth in your first reply to me.
I have been accused of being a racist and a collectivist (neither of which is true).
How can you possibly think that these comments are respectful? How can you possibly think that someone would respond respectfully to those allegations? You are such an insincere hypocrite.
youre ignoring the fact that their consent is manufactured.
well. What else would you have? Some jungian thing? Individuals embrace collective identity insofar as they feel that it will benefit them.
what are they to do? Posit an alternative.
it answers your question. Information is not a nominal prerequisite for voter participation.
what are they to do?
to the extent that a given elected representative is the choice of the people, that choice is rarely a good choice because of the many parts of life that are touched by the political sphere. For example, it wouldnt matter to you if some district in new hampshire had consistently, year-after-year voted antiwar candidates to office, since they are voting americans they threw their lot in with the warmongers.
your disrespect towards others is an ongoing phenomenon
It is a matter of fact that you yourself do employ collective pronouns with regard to nation-states. And sincerity doesnt require personal abuse, I’d rather you matched the sincerity with discretion. I dont need to know that you think I can go $&@; myself, thats out of line and unproductive.
no because you werent always like this.
When I observe your collectivism, its not an insult, just an observation. Theres no disrespect intended, unlike your posts, even from before I entered the thread. You dont really believe that “demons” are running the Israeli govt do you? Furthermore, personal abuse is uncalled for as theres no demonstrated need. If I misunderstood your points and you explain to me how you are somehow not a collectivist, then learning has occurred. If you resort to profanity and personal abuse, we learn that you are an immature college student and not much else.
Stop whining and answer the question.
Not ignoring it. just not giving it them the free ride that you do because of it. As I said, we escaped it, why can’t they?
Not vote? Not pay taxes? Hit the streets and protest? Don’t allow the GOP to obviously steal the election from you? You seem to say that the only option in light of their total ignorance is to vote. But there is no reason for that. Are you familiar with the concepts at the foundation of philosophy of action outside of Misesian praxeology?
That is what TPTB want though isn’t it? The simple fact that it is not required to do it doesn’t make it okay to do.
“People will state an opinion about an economic issue despite having little or no knowledge of the subject.” - My link is gone for this, but you can find the full study online.
Not vote? Not pay taxes? Hit the streets and protest?
I’d refer you to Malcom X or Thoreau again, but I don’t want to seem like I am necessarily advocating exactly what they did (someone might report me). Let’s say, that kind of thing must be kept in mind if you want the Establishment to take your cause seriously.
Huh? This justifies it?
Federalist #10? - If only it were as hypothesized.
How do you figure this? They are doing what I would expect of them.
Says you. Almost everyone on here insults someone else eventually. And also, you did not deny that you started this one. So, I don’t see how you can possibly call me out on it…it is that hypocrisy peepoing up again.
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Boom. This I give an example of with the Freanch/France below…
It is only as out of line and unproductive as you putting words in people’s mouths. Sometimes sincerity does require untoward language. Every heard a parent tell their kid it is a brat or it should be in jail, etc.?
I didn’t refer to a nation state. I referred to a state. I’d think that the anarcho-capitalists here would recognize the difference. I would never say, “I don’t like France, they are blah.” " ‘It’ is blah" would be instinctual for me. I would say, “I don’t like the French, they are blah*.”*
What pissed off at you for putting words in my mouth? Or pissed off at the other intellectual wonder that accused me of antisemitism?
Mis-di-rection.
You make assumptions about beliefs before they have been explicated. You are insincere and a hypocrite. Don’t forget that about yourself. I am comfortable with using “curse” words, I use them all the time in real life and people never jump up and say, “He’s swearing, teacher ,teacher!” like the tattletales here do.
Who is more immature, those that use profane language or those that attempt to tell on others for using profane language? The eight year olds swear, the five year olds tell. Just saying.
I did. Stop posting this crap and read the posts. I answered in the sinn und bedeutung. How more specific can I get?
I see. So if Israel wants lasting peace, they need to agree to whatever agreements are offered, no matter what the consequences of it are. Why didn’t we think of that sooner?
The Israeli government is not racist. I can’t argue with them being demons; I’ve suffered at its hands myself, although I hardly see how that makes them different from any other state. The Arabs don’t want to just destroy the state though, they want to get rid of the Jewish majority there and create a theocratic Islamic (“Palestinian”, as if the term means anything) government.
What do you think compromise means? They signed the 1967 agreement and they are not following it. I cannot say the Palastinians are systematically uprooting the Israeli population can I? But I can sure say that Israel is systematically uprooting the Palastinians…and since the Palastinians don’t have a state, they get no recognition for the injustices that are wrought upon them.
The suicide bombings don’t even begin to compare to the amount of force Israel uses (white phosphorus, missile stations, etc.) What was the casualty comparison in the Lebanon/Israel conflict?
The sheer force alone…
The apartheid laws seem to indicate otherwise…
True. The U.S. did the same thing Israel is doing to the Palastinians to the Native Americans…
As opposed to a theocratic racially pure Jewish state?
“Palestinian” refers to a loose collective of different sects of arabs that never had a state. As most arab tribes are, they were stateless, but run in a church-like manner. Then the Zionists came in formed a state and are now herding the Plastinians into “reserves” (again, just like the US).
The main difference is that the US did this 200 years ago. “We” can stop Israel from doing it today.
Israel is under threat!!!
Who here can tell me if Iran has or has not signed the NPT!?!?!?!?!