“Not yet, but historically unrest usually occurs first.”
Of course.
Yes, they live very comfortable and successful lives in Europe. Ask the Cruse family.
It doesn’t matter how much money or bullets you have amassed. You think you’ll be fine to your detriment. In fifty years there will be no more Israel.
In fifty years there will be no more Israel.
will there be jews in tel aviv and jerusalem?
Well, Netanyahu has agreed to ease the blockade on Gaza. The council just has to approve it now.
"Tony Blair, the Quartet’s envoy to the Middle East, hailed Tuesday the Israeli cabinet’s expected approval of a plan to ease the blockade of the Gaza Strip and allow more aid into the territory as “a very important step.”
The plan, which was formulated jointly by Blair and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, will likely come before the cabinet for approval on Wednesday.
It contains three main elements: formulation of a blacklist of goods and supplies that will not be allowed into Gaza, particularly items that could be put to use in manufacturing weapons; Israel’s acquiescence to the entry of building materials for UN-sponsored construction projects; and Israel’s agreement to consider stationing European Union as well as Palestinian Authority monitors at border crossings to inspect incoming goods."
I see this as a political win-win for Israel. If nothing bad happens, Israel can still maintain the blockade of Hamas while being able to say to the international community that it’s taken steps to reduce the damage to the civilian population and if Hamas shoots another rocket or sends another suicide bomber into Israel or commits some other act of violence (good odds that they will) then Israel will get to tighten the blockade again and the international community will be in support of it.
I disagree. It is the world community’s opinion never to allow a media win for Israel.
The world media reasons like this:
lol true.
I doubt the accuracy of that cartoon. Cite?
I know you are a habitual non-reader, but please google first.
The ships were prevented from entering because construction material is not allowed into Gaza, as it was used primarily in the past for building tunnels.
The aid Israel provides to Gaza is officially between 14,000 and 15,000 tons weekly (since most of Gaza relies on aid, seeing as most resources are spent on consumption goods and violence as opposed to production goods).
Some analysis for you, concerning the phrase (well known in Russia) concerning “useful idiots”: http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2010/06/08/from-useful-idiot-to-useful-infidel-meditations-on-the-folly-of-21st-century-%E2%80%9Cintellectuals%E2%80%9D/
Some more, especially the summary video (if you didn’t see it when I posted it earlier): http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2010/05/28/flotilla-of-fools-tilts-at-zionist-windmills-open-letter-to-europeans-from-a-medievalist/
So, your source is a blog comment?
I know you are a habitual non-reader, but please google first.
How am I a “habitual non-reader”?
How much of that aid is provided by Israel, and how much of it is provided by others, and Israel’s only role in the process is allowing it in?
Also, how much aid is kept out by Israel? What does it consist of? How is it disposed? What happens to the parties who provided the aid that was held back?
Hi thelion and bloomj31,
Good to see there are a few fighting Israel’s corner, you must feel like a beleaguered minority!
Well we can be a minority of 3 now. Israel has a right to exist and defend itself by any means necessary. Most people here do not acknowledge that it’s surrounded by ideological enemies who don’t give a toss about the "“palestinians’ " plight”.
I’d love to know what a zionist libertarian response to this area of the world’s problem would be. I’m a recent convert from right wing statist to Libertarian. I’ve been astounded by the pandering to state and para state bodies of opinion in this forum post.
sorry for spelling
zionist libertarian
There’s a contradiction in terms if I ever saw one.
Lets say I break your leg then give you a crutch.
Can I now complain about the media concentrating on the broken leg rather than the gifted crutch?
“Good to see there are a few fighting Israel’s corner, you must feel like a beleaguered minority”
I’m not in the minority, they are.
"Americans’ views toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict haven’t changed: nearly 6 in 10 (59%) say their sympathies in the conflict lie more with the Israelis; just 18% side with the Palestinians…
Additionally, the new poll finds 63% of Americans holding a favorable view of Israel, including 21% holding a very favorable view of that country. Only 29% have an unfavorable view of Israel, including just 8% “very unfavorable.”…
By contrast, the Palestinian Authority is seen in a mostly negative light, with only 15% viewing it positively and 73% negatively. And, among those holding strong views, the balance of opinion is even more negative: just 1% have a very favorable view vs. 30% very unfavorable.
Favorability toward the Palestinian Authority has varied some since 2000, ranging from 11% to 27%, but has registered close to 15% for each of the past three years…
Attending a Gaza aid conference in Egypt on Monday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States will provide $900 million in aid to the Palestinians, but specified that only $300 million would be directed toward Gaza and that all of it would be channeled through the U.S.-backed Palestinian Authority led by President Abbas in the West Bank, not the Hamas-led government in Gaza.
This isolation of Hamas in U.S. aid to the Palestinians would seem to be consistent with the American public’s general opposition to providing the Hamas government with any financial assistance, even if it were to formally recognize Israel. According to a Gallup Poll conducted shortly after the Hamas party won the January 2006 Palestinian elections, only 35% favored providing aid to the Palestinian Authority under Hamas leadership under any conditions (5% unconditionally and 30% if Hamas were to recognize Israel), while 57% said the United States should not provide that government with any aid…
Clinton’s recent assurance that U.S. support for Israel is “unshakable, durable, [and] fundamental” is consistent with Israel’s broadly positive image in the United States, as well as with Israel’s solid advantage over the Palestinians in American “sympathies.”"
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116308/Americans-Support-Israel-Unchanged-Gaza-Conflict.aspx
The only thing I might be in the minority about is the creation of a Palestinian State. Although I’m not really necessarily opposed to it, I just don’t think it will happen.
To be fair, both terms can have a fairly broad meaning.
@bloom:
What is your function and motivation on this thread?
To be fair, both terms can have a fairly broad meaning.
As far as I know, nobody who considers themself a zionist is opposed to an Israeli state. If that term means only the return to Israelis land which is genuinely owned by individuals, and thus respect for Palestinian claims as well, I’m a zionist too. Also, I’ve been trying to point out the difference between “libertarianism” qua political philosophy and libertarianism qua legal philosophy. The former is broad, but the latter is very specific, based on logical deduction of the non-agression principle. A corollary of the legal doctrine would be anarchy as law, so it would be impossible to advocate any form of statism.
Hi Olovetto,
Thanks for broadening your response. I’m libertarian in that having accepted Austrian Economics as the clearest picture of economic human interaction; my political outlook has been increasingly challenged by the logical direction from that ie increasingly questioning the utilitarian justification of even minarchical state institutions. Also the principle of non-aggression is increasingly sounding like a utilitarian sound idea.
I’m Zionist because I believe Jews are allowed a country of their own too.
One point I want to repeat; whilst I’ve only skimmed the posts on this topic nearly all the posts have been statist and para-statist arguments -which I find disappointing.
A slight correction; there are more libertarian arguments than I thought. I’ll try to read next time not skim read!