indeed. that source is what I’m referring to. the rest was context, not necessarily needed for current discussion.
Right. But the point is they want ‘change’. Each election year, every single one of them, is a promise of change. There has never been one election cycle in which the politican says, ‘I’m not going to do anything.’ No, rather the opposite. They always say they can fix a particular problem. That’s politics and they hold the media, public schools, etc… The merger of politics with the increased scale usage of their own bullhorn, ie. the propaganda means of today, is seeping into the old, current culture.
I don’t know and does it really matter if ‘we’ ever outnumber them? Does it really matter if truth reaches a wide enough audience and is practiced on an ever-increasingly scale?
It is the desperation, that ‘wrongness’, that the political establishment has wormed their way into. In times past many people rolled up their sleeves and got to work. More and more, the government says, ‘don’t worry we will fix it’. The mentality is distinctly different.
Yes. They are pushing for an unsustainable system, because the concept and practice of a government is a utopian fantasy that is impossible to sustain and the larger people push for what is impossible to sustain, then only the more destructive it will become. It’s a feedback loop. Because the more destruction there is, then the increasing numbers of more desperate people there becomes. It is animalistic. That is key to understand. It is cannablisitc by nature. It feeds upon itself destroying itself to sustain itself, but eventually it will have nothing left to destroy. That’s the nightmare path.
I’m just an observer. I find the game of war fascinating. Not because it’s a good thing, war is awful, but because it’s something humans have been doing forever. It’s part of being human. I want to understand what it means to be human. Clearly warfare is part of human nature. You ever trained Jiu Jitsu? Played chess?
War is not part of human nature. Before Sargon the first in the Tigrus-Euphrates region, large villages had no walls, but after him they begin to slowly show up around the world.
Wilderness, the thing about humans is that we, by our very nature are unsustainable. So it stands to reason that everything we invent will have a life span just like we do.
I don’t really think government is the problem, it’s just a manifestation of human nature. I think humans are the problem. This means that I try to deal with humans as they are not as I wish they would be. And I think politics gives me an insight into what humans really are.
War is definitely part of human nature, but it doesn’t necessarily happen on a massive scale. But when resources become scarce, war becomes more appealing to those who do not want to solve problems through economic means. If we lived in a world of super abundance, there would be no need for competition.
Meaningless drivel. This Machiavellian bullshit gets old. How are we not “sustainable?” I mean, we’re here aren’t we? Do you think we’re here because of government or in spite government?
Reproduction trumps this “unsustainability” you speak of. And also that’s one ability going the human way - we are creative, not only biologically. It’s how entire populations weather the storms of tyrants - those that suppress people to their lowest animalistic levels so they can domesticate them.
Government does not equate human nature, because I don’t work for the government I work against it. And so do others. The only way people actually deal with the unsustainability of the government is to work in the free market and participate in the civil society. Outside of that it would be prison, or encampments. The push-back on the government has always been the free market and civil society. This is the struggle that grows large or small - depending on the increase or decrease of one or the other, ie. government or civil society/free market.
Politics is only one facet of human nature. That’s the fallacy of isolation. You focus on politics too much and forget that you walk, eat, and sleep.
True, but the individual still dies. Yes, we are creative. But we’re also all aware of our own mortality. So we all know that if we’re going to get the things we want, we’ve probably only got one life to do it in. So some people trade, other people kill and control. Different means to similar ends. Both are reflections of human nature to me.
Yes, but some people do work for the government. Your nature or preferences display one side of human nature, the government’s displays another side of human nature. Neither one is better, in my mind, and both are important to understand. So I study economics, politics, philosophy. I think they’re all pieces to the same puzzle.
I’m not saying that I don’t have an interest in economics. I do. But I don’t think it’s the only thing worth learning about, nor do I think it’s the solution to every problem.
I pointed out the fact that war has not always been around, and currently most people are not involved in war. Even the u.s. military overseas isn’t bringing home the bread. It’s not even a fight over scarce resources because all the u.s. military does after they destroy is try to set-up economic trade exchanges. So economics is even the ‘end’ of the military campaigning. It’s only those military expansionists that go on unsustainably that end up destroying themselves meanwhile the rest of the human population goes on watching the fools run off the cliff.
Just because we aren’t always fighting doesn’t mean the potential doesn’t always exist. Warfare is a part of human nature, it is not exclusively human nature. We are capable of lots of things. One of those is cooperation, voluntary exchange. And those things are great in their own right and I try to learn about them as well.
Not really because most people involve themselves in a family, have children, and sustain enough for those children to live. It’s ca. 250,000 years of sustainability.
Yes. That’s good. So don’t forget the part that is not the government. I think you have been focusing only the government aspect too much so it doesn’t give you the ‘big picture’.