Is it time for a "Liberty Manifesto"?

[E_R_Olovetto]

Keep your head up!

[Laughing_Man]

Is that Carrot Top?

[wilderness]

@LibertyPatriot

Wilderness asked how a government gets its operating funds.

I asked how the government decides on the tax number (percentage).

?

[Laughing_Man]

@wilderness

@LibertyPatriot

Wilderness asked how a government gets its operating funds.

I asked how the government decides on the tax number (percentage).

?

It is probably derived from some Flat/Fair Tax estimate.

[Laughing_Man]

In breaking news, it seems as though the American past time is passing on some of its vices onto the nonchalant sports of the US. We have just received word that failing comedian Carrot Top has taken up using HGH in order to pump up his dismal prop act. Now if the audiance does not laugh, Carrot Top will start throwing his props at the crowd at a velocity of mach 2.

[E_R_Olovetto]

@Laughing Man

Is that Carrot Top?

Yes it is. My apologies, but this thread is stupid.

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I have a problem with “radical libertarians” that aren’t much better than this lol-manifesterian in discussing the tax issue. I don’t advocate taxation, but this shouldn’t blind me to realizing the nature of its forms. Rothbard is correct that a “flat/fair” tax would just be a new avenue for seizing wealth, but his analysis of George’s land value tax is faulty. We would undeniably be better off in a less centralized state with a LVT instead of one with whatever draw. That we will be immediately free of state-like commercial entities is an unrealistic assumption. There’s worth in realizing the past “successes” of a LVT as a model for new systems of management.

[liberty_student]

@yoshimura

Any books to recommend on that topic?

Tom DiLorenzo has an essay on the history of private turnpikes and the like. I have no idea what it is called, but I suspect it would be in his Mises media gallery in PDF form.

[wilderness]

@E. R. Olovetto

…aren’t much better than this lol-manifesterian in discussing the tax issue. I don’t advocate taxation…

I don’t think you realize my strategy.[:)]

[E_R_Olovetto]

@wilderness

@E. R. Olovetto

…aren’t much better than this lol-manifesterian in discussing the tax issue. I don’t advocate taxation…

I don’t think you realize my strategy.

I concur. It is the witching hour for me, so I will address your concerns post haste.

[wilderness]

@E. R. Olovetto

I concur. It is the witching hour for me, so I will address your concerns post haste.

I’m sure you can address them.[Y] I can address them.[Y] Yet, I’m not sure LibertyPatriot could have addressed them.

[wilderness]

@Laughing Man

@wilderness

@LibertyPatriot

Wilderness asked how a government gets its operating funds.

I asked how the government decides on the tax number (percentage).

?

It is probably derived from some Flat/Fair Tax estimate.

Is that an arbitrary estimate?

[laminustacitus]

@Conza88

@laminustacitus

I believe that if one believes that property rights are inalienable, then one must be a pacifist, and violate the property rights of no one.

And I’m not seeing anything at all new in your statement, that which hasn’t already been refuted.

The Right to Self Defense

The link is broken.

@Conza88

@laminustacitus

It thus follows that ideologies are the cloaks of every single movement in history, not just that of the state. Without belief that the ideology is true, or at least advantageous, the movement will fail.

Not all ideologies seek to cloak. Others seek to expose and enlighten.

All ideologies seek to cloak their movement in truth - whether it is true, or not does not matter. No ideology is merely offensive, all seek to defend some ideal as being true, and are hence cloaks.

[nirgrahamUK]

I fixed the links.

@laminustacitus

All ideologies seek to cloak their movement in truth - whether it is true, or not does not matter. No ideology is merely offensive, all seek to defend some ideal as being true, and are hence cloaks.

speak for yourself.

oh you did.

[Laughing_Man]

@wilderness

Is that an arbitrary estimate?

Pretty much.

[wilderness]

@Laughing Man

@wilderness

Is that an arbitrary estimate?

Pretty much.

therefore if he hung out here long enough he would have admitted what he stands for is not liberty - but arbitrary despotism, I believe those were his definitions.

[Laughing_Man]

@wilderness

therefore if he hung out here long enough he would have admitted what he stands for is not liberty - but arbitrary despotism, I believe those were his definitions.

Hence why I said ‘Hey look, Conservative idiology.’

[:D]

I just have to give my props for saying/deducing that to God, then my family, then to my personal liberty of thought.

[wilderness]

@Laughing Man

@wilderness

therefore if he hung out here long enough he would have admitted what he stands for is not liberty - but arbitrary despotism, I believe those were his definitions.

Hence why I said ‘Hey look, Conservative idiology.’

I just have to give my props for saying/deducing that to God, then my family, then to my personal liberty of thought.

I know he was a conservative too. I wanted him to wonder into a philosophical trap due to lack of vision in seeing it coming.

[Laughing_Man]

[tacoface]

@E. R. Olovetto

@yoshimura

@liberty student

“Who will build the roads?” completely unaware that the original American roads were all private, and most of the American state infrastructure in the form of rail, roads and canals was built simply to provide graft and payola to people politically connected.

Any books to recommend on that topic?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14140118/The-Privatization-of-Roads-and-Highways-Walter-Block

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Voluntarism is unweildy? Unweildy like a thousand page+ socialized medicine bill which the criminals legislating it don’t seem to have time to read?

Libertarianism is simple. Walking up to people along the street and punching them in the face is wrong, now how do we deal with it. Voluntarism is the acknowlegement that anarchy at some point requires an end to (under a certain definition) political processes, and the desire to achieve it peacefully.

guy, i was talking about the term voluntaryism.

[yoshimura]

@E. R. Olovetto

@yoshimura

@liberty student

“Who will build the roads?” completely unaware that the original American roads were all private, and most of the American state infrastructure in the form of rail, roads and canals was built simply to provide graft and payola to people politically connected.

Any books to recommend on that topic?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14140118/The-Privatization-of-Roads-and-Highways-Walter-Block

Thank you.