[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
Plus, the articles throw a wrench in the idea that oil is a fixed resource.
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At the risk of going on a tangent about oil, no, they don’t, and that is a strawman anyways. When all the methane is water and CO2?
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
I think I see the problem here. You want to live in a perfect world. That’s fine, but it has nothing to do with the real world.
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Perfect is relative, but a world where clean water, air, and food exist would be a start.
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
So, this would contradict your belief that capitalism must lead to a worse environment. Secondly, if you would prefer we go back to 1491, I shall direct you to this thread here.
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Strawman. Please quote me where I said that capitalism must lead to a worse enviroment. I think I’m adressing unsustainable production more than anything else. It’s funny, I’ve been involved on that thread as well. I’m going to catch up with it when I’m done here.
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
In addition, capitalism is able to reverse problems when they occur if people care. If they don’t, well, so what? We should all be forced to listen to you?
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How can capitalism reverse the problems of industrial production? I don’t think anyone has to listen to me, but if I am getting poisoned all of the time, then I’m going to try to do something about it. I just think it’s a stupid idea to shit where you sleep.
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
There are fish in the Charles River in the Boston area, and you can eat some of them.
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Dude, how far in denial do you have to be? Enough to rely on the hated state to tell what is safe and not safe to eat, apparently. And we invaded Iraq because of WMDs, right?
LOL, did you even bother to check?
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Boston, Cambridge, Dedham, Dover, Natick, Needham, Newton, Watertown, Wellesley, Weston, Waltham |
PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls) and pesticides |
P1 Children younger than 12 years of age, pregnant women, women of childbearing age who may become pregnant, and nursing mothers should not eat any Carp or Largemouth Bass fish from this water body. |
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P2 The general public should not consume Carp from this water body. |
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P3 The general public should limit consumption of Largemouth Bass fish to two meals per month. |
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Mmm, sounds delicious!
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
It’s been getting rated B and B+ from the EPA. It used to be a D.
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Again with the appeal to the government, and this also begs the question:
Do you have any evidence that “the market” was responsible for the clean up?
This also ingnores the fact that the destruction has just moved to China. If it made any sense to keep manufacturing in the Boston area, the Charles would run different colors everyday once again.
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
Civilization itself severly impacts the environment.
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Civilization is also part and parcel with the state, coercion, and ultimately violence (towards people and the enviroment). It is exploitation and rape writ large.
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
I’m still not gonna burn my home down just to satisfy you and Freedom4Me.
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LOL, why? You don’t like breathable air, drinkable water, edible food, and safe shelter? We are killing ourselves, that’s all.
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
There will be improvements in disposal. Disposal need not cause problems for people.
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Sorry, Charlie, you may have to argue yourself on this one,
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
There is a lot of information that we just don’t know. Why are you assuming we know everything now?
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[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
But then we are no longer talking about capitalism, and we are back to the government screwing things up.
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How? By inventing nuclear power? And again, it’s unsustainable production that I’m having trouble with.
[quoteuser=“gotlucky”]
No. I’ll be more specific. It’s capitalism or extinction, unless you want to just run around aggressing against everyone who doesn’t do things the way you would like.
Of course, that’s the option you want. I shouldn’t have left it out.
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What are you talking about?
[edit] Do you believe in property rights? Or the NAP? The supremacy of science or logic? You might be carrying around way more authoritarian baggage than I.
I’m just saying we are shitting where we sleep, and I find it hard to believe it can go on forever.