Least ridiculous form of taxation

Clayton, I like the idea in general.

you have to be the most competitive such government if you intend to survive in the long run.

So you do not buy Hoppe’s arguments about democratic governments mostly caring about short-term gains? Instead, the same establishment rules no matter who is elected? But in Switzerland every man and his dog compete for municipal power (which gets roughly one third of all taxes), so I fail to see the establishment in the usual sense. Another issue might be the tradition of direct democracy - how do you imagine pulling a tax like that through a referendum?

Unpredictable income, I’m afraid.

Unpredictable income, I’m afraid.

Not necessarily, just adjust the scheme a bit - instead of drawing names of the losers, sort all the names in random order, and loot them in this order until the planned income is achieved. In fact, this is the most predictable income of all! The only way it can fail is if you run through the list before fulfilling the quota - but no other method would extract more income anyway.

The Universal Exchange Tax taxes every transaction that involves money. That’s why it is the “fairest” of all taxes. And its not like VAT at all, its just a tax on EVERY transaction.

That’s exactly the VAT, albeit one with a universal tax base.

Yes, I do agree with Hoppe’s analysis and I take it a step further… if it is true that monarchs are more long-term oriented, then that means they are better able to dominate the political world by whatever means. Therefore, I think that the world is still run by royal families or ultra-wealthy families that are a kind of de facto, unrecognized royalty (e.g. the Rockefellers). The Clintons sat in the White House for 8 years. George Bush sat in the White House for 8 years. The Queen of England has been ruling since 1952… Harry Truman was President at the time, you know, the guy who dropped the atomic bomb on Japan all those years ago. Who do you think has more political power, the Queen of England or the chairmen of the Democrat and Republican parties? David Rockefeller was born in 1915, just one year after the opening of World War ONE. He has been the family patriarch since 1979… since Jimmy Carter was President. Who do you think has more political influence, David Rockefeller or an ex-President?

Hoppe has really revolutionized my own thinking. I’ve been brainwashed my whole life to focus on the apparatus of public policy, the government, as if the government is really the most important aspect of society. The truth is that society is fundamentally private, if not for the masses, then for the Elites. My view is growing towards this idea that the Elites do not have to follow the public statutes, in effect, except those statutes which are part of some other private agreement they have between themselves (e.g. “I agree to raising taxes on corn if you agree to increasing water quality requirements, let’s shake on it”). The wealth of the Elites is not subject to review by the public revenuers. Their travel is not restricted by the public border controls or the internal security apparatus (Mr. Rockefeller doesn’t have to go through a TSA scanner, bankers from the Bank of International Settlements freely traveled between belligerent nations during World War II, etc.) And along with my first sentence, their imports and exports are only controlled as a matter of agreement between themselves, (e.g. “I agree to an increased tariff on wheat if you agree to remove restrictions on X Y and Z agricultural exports”). In general, the privileges that we generally imagine are only enjoyed by government employees are, in fact, simply riding on the private privileges the Elites have always had. These privileges are simply extended to the public bureaucracies for the convenience of the Elites in enforcing the status quo.

The inevitable conclusion of this line of reasoning is that the Presidency cannot be the highest seat of authority in the land. The buck does not stop in the Oval Office. I’m not sure where it does stop but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t stop there.

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Clayton -

Clayton,

I agree that wealthy families are the most powerful entities on earth but I will not agree that they run any country, let alone the world as some say. No one can run the world: it too big. No one can run the US, it’s too big. Heck, George Soros is having a very tough ride trying to control my small country, let alone any large-size place.

So, to take up your question: where does the buck stop? Nowhere. Everyone adds something along the way of political power, and the end result is an unpredictable, chaotic, spontaneous order.

@Merlin: Agreed and I think the historical record is conclusive on this. One day, the Prince is wringing his Lords for every last ounce of gold they have and they’re pleading for their very lives, the next day he has a sword to the back of his neck, signing a charter giving up 90% of his authority. There is no doubt that power is very fluid. Nevertheless, I think that history has been nothing if not a weeding out of less adept political rulers leaving only the most cunning, the most shrewd, the most conniving still standing. There is definitely an “evolutionary” process underway but in a bad sense and I think it bears some resemblance to Hoppe’s theory of democracy as “competition in the production of bads”. So, it’s a mistake to think that there is not a real hierarchy of political power in the world and every region in the world but, at the same time, it’s a constant give and take between the various power centers, each struggling for ultimate control.

Clayton -

And on a more optimistic note, I’ve been thinking how the public choice problems that plague government - specifically, that it is ridiculous to imagine the government “cares” about its citizens beyond the extent to which it can enrich itself on their backs - is a two-edged sword. The same reason that voters don’t educate themselves about elected leaders is the same reason that you almost certainly won’t get a ticket for going 5-10mph above the speed limit or smoking a joint in the privacy of your home. The government does its best to create an illusion of pervasive omniscience but it is just an illusion. In reality, the government comprises a tiny fraction of the populace and each of them has a full plate trying to keep all the other delinquents in line. I might be smoking a joint and the government doesn’t like that but then the guy two blocks down has a meth lab in his bathroom and the local Sheriff’s narcotics officers stand to gain a lot more prestige looking for the meth lab guy than they stand to gain looking for me.

Once you understand that “the law” is not statutes, you realize that statutes should only ever be observed out of prudence… you should observe some statutory laws for the same reason you don’t walk down a dark alley at night. Yet, at the same time, you ought not to become lawless since - despite the many perversions of real law created by statutory law - humans never stop being human and the law is the law. To put it briefly, people will naturally shun you if you’re an asshole, no “law” required. And since statutory law should only be observed as a matter of prudence and the only law that really matters is the law of human behavior, the vast majority of “illegal” activity is not really morally off-limits… the government just does its damnedest to make it dangerous and risky. So, it’s just a question of whether the risks created by the government are worth running in order to do whatever it is you have in mind to do. And I think this is the essence of Block’s Undefendable activities… some people choose to run the gauntlet but until they begin hurting people, damaging property or imposing uninvited risks on others, they’re not violating law per se, they’re just doing stuff the government doesn’t want them to.

It reminds me of the old adage… it’s only illegal if you get caught. I think this is true of almost every statute.

Clayton -

Well, the market also continuously weeds out the least efficient entrepreneurs, stiles of management, etc. but that still doesn’t mean that any one firm or even individual will ever control the market. Perhaps some processes, as the market or power, are just too big for hierarchies.

Perhaps some processes, as the market or power, are just too big for hierarchies.

Do you extend the socialist calculation problem to power market (or rather, arena)?

I’m sure that this does apply, even if no Austrian has ever cared about it. Ho does the King know which tax will yield the highest long-term cash flow pattern? There would seem to be no way of getting a decent answer.

But I was rather referring to the spontaneity of power, in the sense of the whole power structure emerging without any individual willing for it to be as it is. Whether or not this spontaneous power order is also the most efficient calculation-wise is besides the point, although an interesting issue in itself.