Good point. Secession down to anarchy is the ideal solution, the second best would be down to the smallest possible unit ,maybe a village like merlin suggests.
It would work fine with villages, but what would the Mises ideal have to say about a sprawling city of 5 million inhabitants where 2 million of them want to counter-secede and who are spread all over the place?
It would work fine with villages, but what would the Mises ideal have to say about a sprawling city of 5 million inhabitants where 2 million of them want to counter-secede and who are spread all over the place?
Split the city in blocs and let every bloc decide. At the very worst, you’ll have in every block a division of 51% to 49%.
First, the very fact that “states” are so small would mean no state is there at all, i.e. the very reasons that brought the will to secede, probably some tariff or stupid law, would cease to exist (no legislation is possible in such small states, only common law can do).
And second, emigrating form your block is easier. Hence, should tensions remain, in a few years we would have a neatly separated city with very small cost to the inhabitants. It certainly isn’t anarchy, but it will do.
If we were to have an anarcho-capitalistic sort of situation wherein the government becomes voluntary, would it be legitimate for, let’s say, my voluntary association to go to war with yours on the basis that your association is harming you and violating your natural rights?
Yes. You can always use as much force as is necessary to defend yourself. If this should result in innocents being harm the blame is on the aggressor and not the person defending themselves.
For example if someone starts shooting at you from behind a hostage you can shoot back to save your life and if you hit the hostage it is the hostage takers fault. However the first cause of action in such a situation should be to flee and to try to the greatest extent possible not to harm innocents when you defend yourself. But self-defence would in almost every situation be impossible if it didn’t include a right to put bystanders in any increased risk what so ever.
For instance, if the south were to allowed to secede from the union, would it have been alright then for the north to go to war with the south in order to liberate the slaves?
No, that would not be ok cause the union is a government and nothing the government does can ever be right or just. It simply don’t have any basis on which it can be allowed to take any action. A voluntarily funded and assisted slave rebellion would however be perfectly fine.
It would work fine with villages, but what would the Mises ideal have to say about a sprawling city of 5 million inhabitants where 2 million of them want to counter-secede and who are spread all over the place?
That is actually not a problem. Embassies, for example, are just a lone building that is a sovereign territory in a large city. Such nesting and overlapping of sovereigns has long been stable.
That is actually not a problem. Embassies, for example, are just a lone building that is a sovereign territory in a large city. Such nesting and overlapping of sovereigns has long been stable.
Even cars with diplomatic plates are considered sovereign territory.
I remember in the military when we where training for guard duty they told us we could open fire if a car comes smashing thru the gates. But not if it is a diplomatic car, cause that would basically be an act of war. We couldn’t even use our weapons to threaten the driver.
Was supposed to box the car in somehow and just wait for the person to get out…
Even cars with diplomatic plates are considered sovereign territory.
I remember in the military when we where training for guard duty they told us we could open fire if a car comes smashing thru the gates. But not if it is a diplomatic car, cause that would basically be an act of war. We couldn’t even use our weapons to threaten the driver.
Was supposed to box the car in somehow and just wait for the person to get out…
Such are the things that give one hope.
That a diplomat can kill your family and walk away?
That a diplomat can kill your family and walk away?
That you can settle the issue amid yourselves, either by shooting him where he stands or else, if you can’t get him on the spot, “outsourcing” punishment to organized crime, with no artificial punishment meted out by some State (as paying his meals for 20 years) standing in between. It really gives us an idea of how things would work out in anarchy.
That a diplomat can kill your family and walk away?
That would be an act of war on their part.
That a diplomat can kill your family and walk away?
Diplomatic immunity only works like that in the movies.
In reality they can get away with not paying traffic tickets perhaps.
Diplomats can be arrested or detained in emergency circumstances involving self-defense, public safety, or the prevention of serious criminal acts.
If something like this where to happen I think the home country would either just waive his immunity or prosecute him for murder themselves.
Shooting them in self-defence would also be ok … well in country where can own a gun anyhow. Here beating them to death in a bloody primitive fashion would have to suffice.
In the very unlikely event we where being briefed on (a diplomatic vehicle ramming the gates of a military restricted zone) we where to detain the person after they leaved the vehicle and hand them over to the police. Among other things this would be espionage and make them persona-non-grata and deported.
The interesting thing was that we where told we couldn’t use any force or threats against the person while they where IN the car, cause they can’t be attacked on sovereign soil (in the car).
Even if they drive right up next to some military top secret equipment we where supposed to protect…
The interesting thing was that we where told we couldn’t use any force or threats against the person while they where IN the car, cause they can’t be attacked on sovereign soil (in the car).
You’ve got to acknowledge it: they sure have a sense of humor.