Every time I hear someone talk about New Hampshire I immediatel think of this:
I would like to rant about Wheylous calling right-wing Libertarians silly, haha. We’re not. =P
One of the great counterfeiters saying their notes are counterfeiter proof.
Maybe they meant the notes are a proof of ECB being counterfeiters…
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHH
WHY DO THESE PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WAR KILLS???
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Michael “Analysts say anger over the unmanned aircraft may have helped the Taliban gain recruits”
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Jahi the cycle of hatred continues sadly
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
lol they’re lucky Romney wasn’t elected, there would have been increased drone strikes
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Michael Actually, there is good reason to believe that the drone strikes might very well not increase under Romney
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Jahi Drone attacks would continue regardless whose in presidency because the president doesn’t have absolute control over military actions
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Jahi Even if Obama proposed an executive order to withdraw all drones it wouldn’t go far because too many officials would oppose it…
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Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
exactly, so i’m just saying why would the pakistanis but “infuriated” i mean, someone had to win the US presidency lol they’re just hateful no matter what happens.
Michael I mean, come on, guys, you’re gonna HAVE to get killed, just get over it already
Jahi we have to get killed?
Michael I’m speaking to the Pakistanis
Jahi everyone dies eventually though..
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
well if they persist in killing americans/chanting death to america then i guess so. Drones are the only language they seem to understand.
Michael Ah, yes, every single Pakistani chanting death to America
Jahi plus if america just leaves the Israeli–Palestinian conflict will continue, conflicts with fatah will continue, terrorist will still terrorize
Michael I think you’re in the wrong conversation, Jahi
Michael I know that all those Middle Eastern names are tough to keep track of when we can easily just bomb all of them and forget about them, but Palestine is not Pakistan
Jahi but michael your making it sound like american is the cause for every single terrorist formation and we are the cause of every single dealth in the middle east
Michael Nowhere am I saying that
Michael where did I say that
Jahi we aren’t bombing every middle eastern nation though and you were implying it
Michael I’m poking fun at you for confusing Pakistan with Palestine
Jahi I believe your main statement is that america should withdraw all drones/military presence from other nations because we kill civilians and promote terrorism right? and no I didn’t confuse the two I was saying if we leave terrorism will continue due to the several conflicts between different middle eastern nations
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Jahi and the conflicts I mentioned were not invoked by americans
Michael Here I was talking about Pakistan. As to Israel, they themselves have said they don’t need foreign aid
Michael http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTTJ3WdYUDM
Israel says: “You don’t need to send American Troops to Israel”
Ron Paul was right again. This is Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu talking to the United States Congress on May 24th, 2011.
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Jahi I mean your original statement from another post
Michael How about that video above?
Jahi my point was that the conflict was going to continue without american interference so I agree with the video lol
Jahi plus don’t they owe us money for the aid we provided for them? yet they havnt paid us fully?
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
in a country with as much civil unrest as pakistan, conflicts will occur whether or not drones are present. Many bombings are between the two sects of muslims anyway.
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Michael They owe us money so we should beat their kneecaps in. Got it.
Michael (Money which we gave without any expectation of it being paid back)
Jahi thats the point im trying to make even if america leaves civlians will still be bombed and taken hostaged. The middle eastern nations will still fight for hegemony and nuclear power
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Michael Conflicts certainly will always occur. Since that apparently gives us cover to do anything, might as well just enslave them and rape them all while we’re at it, no?
Jahi and what Im saying is if someone owes you millions of dollars you don’t just withdraw all presence and ask kindly overseeas
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Michael Jahi, what money do they owe us?
Jahi what??? we arent just doing " everything"
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
drone attacks are laughable in the fact of what would happen if the Taliban (which Pakistan harbors)gets in control/ i mean, this is controvercial but state and religion are pretty much intertwined in the middle east and if it is the will of allah to behead non believers, then people will do it. don’t be gullible.
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Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
do you advise americans go into pakistan one by one and politely ask which people are Taliban so more american lives are at stake?
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Jahi we assited israel financially with fighting the hamas terrorist and provided finacial aid in many other areas
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Michael Jahi, we’re not droning Israel. Your argument is that you can attack Pakistani people because their government supposedly owes us money.
Michael Shane, the Taliban is that strong because of US interference
Jahi noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo what I am trying to say is before I believed you said we should withdraw ALL military presence( that includes drones, army officals, recons etc) from all foreign nations
Jahi your reason for that is because we kill innocent civlians and promote terrorism right?
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
Michael, this kind of thing has been going on for thousands of years long before the US existed. Islam is peaceful in practice but it has a violent nature. Not saying all religions don’t have dirt on them but others seem to have modernized better, agreed?
Jahi I assume you believe that by withdrawing all military presence the deaths of civlians will go down and terrorism will decrease right?
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
if America leaves then it won’t get any better…because the core problem is the non democratic ways of the government. Free Speech is a myth over there, Internet gets shut down at WILL, the people are treated like prisoners and not people. we need to find a way to change that
Michael Jahi, yes
Michael Shane, have you read about the concept of blowback? The reason those terrorist groups are able to recruit so successfully is because the US is messing with the nations. It’s pretty damn difficult to convince people to blow themselves up for you. The US interference increases the incentives for people to blow themselves up and makes recruitment easier for terrorists, as the article above notes.
Yes, there will be conflict there, but the US makes it worse. If the US leaves, there will still be violence, but it will be less.
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
i understand that when a group feels oppressed they will do whatever they can to throw off the oppressor but i thought suicide bombings were derived from a twisted sense of honor almost as to how the crusaders were told their sins would be forgiven if they basically suicided themselves. It seems like the US leaving would be a huge gamble that could either pay off or eventually bite us…
Jahi ok my question for you is 1. How will you employ the 100,000 plus person employed by the department of defense. 2. What will you do with the machines that cost millions of dollars to create 3. What will happen to the underdeveloped countries who are oppressed by other nations and killed by terrorist 4. What will happen to countries we are trying to stablize and promote democracy in 5. How will we protect american investments overseas( the government and private sector will not trust let alone settle with hiring mercanaries) 6. How will America maintain hegemony? 7. How we will prevent dangerous groups from acquiring nuclear weapons 8. What will we do when our allies need our military assistance 9. What will we do if america experiences another 9/11( there are people in other countries who want to exterminate us, so do u want to risk being exterminated? 10. Why do you completly ignore all the posiive thigs our military presence does?
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Jahi your alternative is doomed to fail because the soldiers coming home will not have jobs, it will not be passed by congress, we run the risk of being exterminated, america investments(oil and private companies will fail), terrorist will still kill people because AMERICA IS NOT THE SOLE CAUSE OF TERRORISM
Jahi plus there are countries that actually want us to stay
Jahi another question michael if we do leave do you think america wont be attacked? and do u think we should just set back and let them bomb us? like shane said before this world is about country vs. country, different nations fighting for power, if you look at history people constantly fought for power and people died, people who tried to be peaceful and withdrawed from warafare were taken over by the enemy
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Jahi and its no question of whether or not they will attack us its when
Jahi plus if we go into war again you expect us to fight a defensive war?
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
Fall of Rome, sacking of the Byzantine Empire, The conquest of Jerusalem, The Spanish Conquistadors, The Mongols, The African Tribes who enslaved their own people. HISTORY YOU UGLY
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Jahi you make it sound like we are the only bad guys but everyone is the bad guy michael its a fight for who has the most power…we are all the bad guys…
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Michael 1) After WW2 we had 10 million troops come home and they found jobs. The point is to not keep massive amounts of jobs that aren’t necessary. If we had the government employ people to draw cave painting and then erase them right afterward, we can realize that this is an unproductive job. Shouldn’t we cut it? Yes. And it will create a temporary unemployment, but it will be resolved.
Michael 2) Keep them for the military, sell them to other countries, repurpose them, or scrap them
Jahi selling to other countries promotes warfare and killing!
Michael how so?
Michael Selling it to Britain promotes warfare?
Michael Not at all
Michael Even supposing that it does, then scrap them
Michael 3) Underdeveloped countries - list the ones you mean
Michael 4) US promotion of democracy creates further destabilization. If there is one lesson history has taught us, it’s that you shouldn’t mess with civil wars.
Jahi 1) if we sell drones to other nations they will simply use them and scrapping million dollar drones sounds inefficient
Michael 5) If the interests cannot protect themselves, we have no purpose protecting them. Think about it - if they cannot protect themselves, then that means the cost of defense is too high. This means that if the government does protect them, US society will on net be LOSING money
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
many people depend on the military as an established field of career and changing that would result in so much of an uproar…how will people fund college without military finance? how can you expect people to just give up their chosen field?
Jahi nations like south korea and afghan need us
Michael Shane - southern farmers in the 19th century relied on slaves. Removing slavery would have resulted in great upheaval in the social lives of southern farmers, who relied on black slavery. By your logic, we shouldn’t have ended slavery
Michael SOUTH KOREA DOESN’T NEED US. ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Michael Are you seriously kidding me?
Michael North Korea is a SHITHOLE. They CANNOT beat an advanced country like South Korea
Jahi they do need us
Michael Their public is on the brink of starvation
Michael they do NOT need us
Jahi why do u think they r advanced?
Jahi do u think america had 0% help with that?
Michael Because they have insanely high GDP compared to North Korea
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
no lol i’m saying times were different back then and actually many farmers were wealthy and didn’t need slaves. dont you know not all white people owned slaves? The military is a field of learning how to protect this great nation, slavery is not even in the same category.
Jahi america assisted with that advancement…they didnt stabilize their economy on there own.
Jahi when america was about to leave south korean officials tried to bribe with prostituion to keep us there( I have cards saying nations like south korea wants us to stay)
Michael Shane - many farmers were wealthy and didn’t need slaves. Just like many people today don’t need military jobs.
Michael Your argument was not about defense, but about jobs. So saying the military is necessary is off-topic.
Michael Jahi - that’s not true. Economies stabilize by themselves. Economic studies have repeatedly shown that US foreign aid did not help countries after WW2
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
so people that don’t have money and can’t afford college shouldn’t be allowed to go into the military and have an option for their future? do you know how many people into the military NEED it for their families? you’re comparing apples to oranges and saying that slavery was somehow a chosen career? LOL
Michael Jahi - I too would like free stuff. Why give it to me? Heck, I’d like to keep a whole army of police outside my house. Does it make sense to do it
Jahi ok I want to skip to the main part im trying to explain because regardless of what I say you will believe differently lol
Jahi my one question
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Michael No, you’re just being stubbern
Michael you have no idea how government spending and markets work. Unless you take an econ course I have no faith in convincing you
Michael this conversation is over
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
stubborn*
Michael I just suggest you go to Noam Chomsky and tell him that we need the military as a jobs program
Jahi Im not being stubborn because regardless of what I say you wont believe anything I say
Jahi ok im sorry for wasting your time michael I wont do it again
Michael thanks, Shane. One point for you, finally
Michael Because your arguments are wrong and I’ve refuted them time and time again and you keep asking the same exact questions
Jahi ok
Michael I suggest you bring up your arguments to Mr. Gregg and see his replies
Shane · Friends with Jahi and 12 others
Good Suggestion, he served in the military and i’d love to hear his input.
If these threads are “low content” does that make everything outside these threads “high content”?
Bert,
Yes. Classy, important, and intelligent content that should be documented by high class scholars.
Anyway. I returned to a political forum which I used to go to but left because seeing in red all the time is bad for my health. Yesterday I had a discussion that literally took the cake for most ridiculous discussions that I’ve ever had, this one beats the argument I once had over “higher taxes mean freer markets” so this has to be achievement unlocked right here.
I had an argument with a guy yesterday who literally took it as a matter of course that the minimum wage raised both employment and living standards. When I used a basic argument which is usually introduced between chapter five and seven of an economics textbook, the supply and demand section, he claimed that I “didn’t understand supply and demand” and that the matter was so clearly settled that because I was even talking about it I was “spamming the thread”.
His justification for his premise was that most companies are monopsonies, and when I said that they weren’t he said that “job market frictions” meant that they were, and furthermore that price controls only work the way that I’m talking about in perfect competition so I should “spread my perfect competition lies” elsewhere…
I want to die.
so I should “spread my perfect competition lies” elsewhere…
I want to die.
So that you can spread your perfect competition lies completely elsewhere? 
Neodoxy, clearly his point was just to make you shut up and go away. I hope he didn’t succeed.
When you say that “seeing in red all the time is bad for your health” I assume that the forum you were on was RevLeft.
I went on that forum. Have you ever experienced explosive vomit? I never did, until I went to that place.
I believe Aliens will come down in the near future and help us rid ourselves of government. I also believe they will introduce us to technology that will allow those who wish to leave the planet and explore/live elsewhere.
What if there are advanced beings in the Universe besides us?
What if we need to grow spiritually to join them?
What if part of growing spiritually means stop supporting theft?
Government can only exist by stealing.
What if we need to find another way besides supporting an organization that steals?
What if we can never move forward without doing that?
Left-libertarians. There’s nothing that pisses me off more than seeing some snot nosed pot-smoking Kevin Carson-reading left-libertarian hippy try to talk malarkey about how XY and Z wouldn’t exist in a free market.
JESUS CHRIST!
By “X, Y, and Z” do you mean “profit, rent, and interest”?
I don’t encounter as often, what I’m seeing a lot of is these GODDAMN LEFT-LIBERTARIANS LEAVING THEIR GODDAMN COMMENTS ON THESE GODDAMN FACEBOOK POSTS ABOUT HOW CORPORATIONS WOULDN’T EXIST IN A FREE MARKET, IT PISSES ME OFF, IT PISSES ME OFF, IT PISSES ME OFF GOOOOOOOODDDDDDAAAAAAAMNNIIIIIT!
Maybe they don’t use the same definition of “corporation” as you?
Nop’
Are you sure?
Ye’
A corporation is a corporation.