My dad is in the police

Just because you need a job doesn’t mean you need to take that job.

You want to pay for my college? I am currently accepting donations.

We might have something to talk about in a year or two, bank run, depending on what subject you’re interested in teaching, and your ability to learn the material on your own. Consider sending me a message privately.

On the larger points, I don’t think it’s necessary to inquire as to the source of an employer’s money, and I think a decent person can (try) to be a cop. I just don’t think he’ll last very long - one or the other will have to give.

I remember something Lew Rockwell wrote along the lines of (I’m paraphrasing) " for far too long we’ve saw the police as the upholders of rights and justice.At times this is true.But we should also remember that the police are often the enforces of state edicts and are part of it’s tyranny too.We have as much reason to distrust the police as the left do." I’ll try to find where he wrote it.

The police are a mix of bad and good.Inso far as they protect rights their good but they do so by being funded by taxes so even that isn’t really good.When their bad,they’re terrible.Someone else said they choose which laws they want to enforce,that just highlights how corrupt they are.The fact they can arrest you for insulting them or swearing or being noisy is worrying too.

I’d have to say possibly in general the police do more bad than good. I think alot more needs to be written about libertarian perspectives on the police ,it’s not generally a topic we tend to think about very much especially within minarchist circles.

In answer to the questions posed:

Being in the police force doesnt mean you will violate NAP or rights per se but it’s highly likely AND your wages are funded by taxes which isn’t good for society .

Can you be a police officer without violating NAP? I don’t see how it’s possible.I think you’d be sacked.I’d like to see someone try though.

Do you violate the NAP by having a police officer who does? No. We can’t help who we’re related too and Libertarianism isn’t about breaking up families.

You respect your dad and that’s admirable.You had issues with his job and that’s natural with being a libertarian.I think all libertarians have these sorts of thoughts at times when they know someone who violates NAP who they respect.It’s hard.You like/love/respect someone and yet they violate NAP.It’s pretty much unresolvable until a free society comes about.

With respect to Felipe’s father, whom I don’t know personally, I have always viewed the police as a primary source of the states ability to abuse me. What I mean by that is as follows:

I’m not afraid of my Senator. He participates in a brutal system and helps to make the rules I have to live by. However, I am afraid of the police. They’re the one’s who will stick a gun in my belly…

I found the quote.

"Lock 'em up

The American right has long held a casual view toward the police power, viewing it as the thin blue line that stands between freedom and chaos. And while it is true that law itself is critical to freedom, and police can defend rights of life and property, it does not follow that any tax-paid fellow bearing official arms and sporting jackboots is on the side of the good. Every government regulation and tax is ultimately backed by the police power, so free-market advocates have every reason to be as suspicious of socialist-style police power as anyone on the left.

Uncritical attitudes toward the police lead, in the end, to the support of the police state"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/our-kind-central-planning.html

There’s also

Why the Innocent flee from the police

There’s a blog and a youtube video entitled Don’t talk to the police that’s quite enlightening.

Well if you only respect that specific part of his jobs maybe you aren’t a hypocrite.

But cops are the hitmans/goons or whatever you call it (the word I am looking for is a suitable synonym for soldier rank in the Cosa Nostra) of government. Soo … your dad is in the mob … there is really nothing respectable about it.

There are however a few cases that can be made for being more lenient in judgement against cops then mobsters. Cops generally don’t know what they are doing and a few of them even have good intentions. Also, at least in my country, there service is better then the mob when one happens to have been the victim of crime.

But you really should convince him to go into private security instead because there is no justification for working in an armed branch of the government. If no one worked there there wouldn’t be a government and we would all be much safer. The lack of security created by the government being able to exist because people take jobs like this undo the merit of any security said individuals provide.

This is such a hard issue to wrestle with. The bottom line is that you can love your dad, believe that he means well, wish his employer was private but still believe he choose the right profession, only to be forced to deal with a monopolistic sector of law enforcement.

Though self-serving on many accounts, as a public school math teacher I often frown on my choice to work for the state. I’ve thought about private schools, but every private school pays about $6,000 less on average then my current job. Sometimes I candy coat the situation by saying that math teachers, on average, do less harm to the general public then history teachers (but this actually a silly notion). It is a source of anger for my philosophy though—though this is my last year teaching.

Either it is wrong to work for the state in such institutions as public schools, or it is not. I happen to hold that it is not, but you seem to disagree. If you think it is wrong, why should the money difference be relevant? You could make a lot more money than either job by doing more obviously evil things.

By the way, you might consider boarding schools. Many such schools, of course, have low pay - but provide free housing and meals. Most Austrians fear inflation and a wearing away of wages - getting paid in kind rather than money just makes sense. Plus, your tax load is lower.