Yes. To elucidate: a proton is both a wave, and a particle. The human mind cannot grasp the true meaning of that statement; nevertheless without that concept, modern physics would not exist.
I can understand it just fine. Please stop projecting.
Not in actuality. In the realm of fiction–fine. In actuality–it’s meaningless.
Then if god is, you can’t even speak meaningfully of god and you devolve into self-refuting babble. Good job!
Thanks for playing.
Okay. You don’t realize that you are spouting nonsense ?
Look, it seems you fail at basic logic. And now physics ? Invoking more absurdities to prove an absurdity is…doubly absurd.
You mean, sane people don’t grasp the meaning of meaningless assertions ?
Uh oh. Well, maybe ‘modern physics’ is just positivism/empiricism on steroids, but philosophically meaningless ?
Then you obviously don’t understand what a proton truly is, but you merely pretend that you do for it is impossible for the human mind to comprehend the fact that a proton is both a particle, and a wave. It is impossible to experience, nay even fathom, a thing being two things at the same time.
Strange, for the wave-particle duality of such particles has been empirically proven!
Well, feel free to revolutionize physics by disproving the wave-particle duality phenomenon.
Not only is it a corner-stone of physics, but it is displays how limited the horizon of human logic is, so I doubt I “fail” at either.
Amazing. I thought you had read and understood Theory and History. It seems not.
In a word, you don’t understand the relationship between logic and empiricism.
Particles are not really point particles. They are localized waves. There’s no wave-particle duality.
But this is just diversion. The whole point is you insist in using a meaningless term (infinity) as if it was not meaningless.
This is so funny. You are making a meaningless statement. And admitting it is meaningless. And then pretending it has meaning. Well, non-contradiction be damned. Wait. Non-contradiction has been empirically disproven…
I do have to ask, what exactly is illogical about this? Sure, it’s counter-intuitive, but it can be observed very easily experimentally, and quantum mechanics does a very good job of explaining such things.
My statements stand irrefuted.
Simply false. Particles like electrones, and photons are both waves, and particles at the same time.
Not as a logical law of human experience, and understanding; again the wave-particle duality is unintelligible by man.
Really ? So, what experiments have YOU done showing that an entity is both X and Y at the same time ?
Its illogical in the respect that man cannot truly comprehend wave-particle duality in that we cannot experience a photon as both a wave, and a particle at the same time.
Indeed, and ergo there are things which, though man cannot fully comprehend them, are very real.
Its been verified experimentally, and theoretically.
The double-slit experiment displays that light is a wave, and Maxwell’s equations treat light as such. However, Einstein’s explanation of the photoelectric effect treats light as a particle, a quanta. Neither is wrong, both are correct, and it has been experiementally proven ad infinitum.
How do you know ?
So, what meanigful statement can you make about it ? You are telling X is unintelligible and yet you keep talking about as if it was intelligible.
Anyway, this is DIVERSION. I asked
and you said yes. You don’t understand that your answer is nonsense.
Experiments have again, and again, and again, and again ad infinitum supported the understanding of an electron, or similar particle as both a wave, and a particle, hence wave-particle duality. In fact, this concept is what much of modern physics stands on. Short answer: I know so empirically just as I know that when I drop a book, it will fall to the ground.
Man can take much knowledge from wave-particle duality, but, in the end, he truly cannot comprehend it for it is permantly above his horizon of understanding.
Again, no one truly understands wave-particle duality, yet is is an extremely useful concept; ergo, yes.
Einstein’s explanation (ideas stolen from planck) only says that energy transfer is packetized and dependent on frequency. So photons are ‘wave packets’ - there’s nothing mystic about it.
Here’s a picture :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Interfering_Electron_Wave_Packets_animated.gif
Now, hopefully having dealt with your lack of understanding of physics , do you mind addressing the contradiction in using concepts you admit are meaningless, such as infinity in so called ‘theology’ ?
I’m getting tired of the dismissive way you keep addressing lam when he has not replied to you in such a manner. There are ways to debate science without being confrontational or demeaning. Locate such a method and apply it if you insist upon carrying on in the discussion.
Yet I do. You just have to understand the nature of a wave which arrives in distinct packets. It’s quite simple to grasp.
It is impossible to experience it because it cannot exist. It’s impossible to fathom it because it’s absurd. Coincidentally, absurd, contradictory things don’t exist.
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Empiricism does not trump logic. Understand ? Of course not.
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Empiricism REQUIRES logic because without logic empiricism is MEANINGLESS. Get it ? I’m afraid not.
I agree with this. Non-contradiction is both an ontogical and an epistemic primary.
Thanks Vichy. We may not see eye to eye as far as morals go but at least we share some common ground 