Obligations

[Spideynw]

I have decided to slightly change this after thinking about it some more. I would like to try this instead:

Given this, I would like to have the following conversation with a so called police officer if I get pulled over for a so called traffic violation, assuming the LEO does not become too violent towards me:

LEO: May I see your driver’s license and registration?

Me: Am I obligated to show them to you?

LEO: Yes

Me: May I ask how I am obligated?

LEO: It is the law.

Me: But isn’t the law just some words written on paper by some strangers, which I never signed?

LEO: Well…

Me: I mean, isn’t it true that the government was established by just a bunch of men getting together and claiming to rule over this area known as the United States just by writing some words on a piece of paper that no one signed? Is that a legitimate way to establish a business?

LEO: Uh

Me: If not, then isn’t it true that the only reason I am obligated to show these to you is that you are a violent person with a violent organization and that you will hurt me if I do not?

LEO: Uh

Me: If not, am I free to go?

LEO: Just let me see your driver’s license and registration.

Me: Because if I don’t show them to you, you will hurt me, and that is the only reason that I should show them to you?..

[scineram]

@MatthewF

@scineram

You are also obliged to let your partner leave you for someone else, to which you have never agreed.

I usually ignore your posts becuase they are such obvious cries for attention but I can’t resist.

Do you not see that the obligation to let your partner leave is the same obligation the cop has to let you leave?

Both cases you want others not to do something. Somehow one is an obligation on them, but the other is not.

[MatthewF]

Spidey,

Have you read about Lauren Canario?

[MatthewF]

@scineram

Both cases you want others not to do something. Somehow one is an obligation on them, but the other is not.

Is your head ok? I ran this by my 8 year old and she got it in 2 seconds. Are you obligated to follow the orders given to you by others?

If the answer is yes, then Spidey has to do what the cop says and his spouse has to do what he says.

If the answer is no the Spidey can ignore the cop and his spouse can ignore him.

So which is it?

[Spideynw]

@MatthewF

Spidey,

Have you read about Lauren Canario?

I have not heard of him.

[E_R_Olovetto]

http://sharebee.com/b57e30f2

hopefully, you can figure out how to download a file :rolleyes:

[twistedbydsign99]

@Spideynw

There are only two ways that I know of that can obligate an adult to obey another adult. The first is through a contract, agreed to by both parties, with the terms clearly laid out. The other is when one is on the property of another. However, if one does not wish to obey when on the property of another, one may choose to leave. Of course, this implies that leaving is fairly simple. For example, if one is a passenger in a car and the driver is going 100mph, and asks the passenger to do something the passenger does not agree to, the passenger would not be obligated to jump out of the car. The passenger would have the right to not obey the driver, until the driver stops somewhere appropriate to let the passenger out. This is assuming the passenger is not being aggressive towards the driver.

Given this, I would like to have the following conversation with a so called police officer if I get pulled over for a so called traffic violation, assuming the LEO does not become too violent towards me:

LEO: May I see your driver’s license and registration?

Me: Am I obligated to show them to you?

LEO: Yes

Me: May I ask how I am obligated?

LEO: It is the law.

Me: But isn’t the law just some words written on paper by some strangers, which I never signed?

LEO: Well…

Me: I understand when I get a credit card that I get to review the terms, and if I agree, I can sign agreeing to the terms. I never signed the constitution or anything else given to me by the government, except under duress. I also understand if I am on the property of another, that they can ask anything of me, but if I do not agree that I can leave. But this is public property, and as such no one owns it. So isn’t it true that the only reason I am obligated to show these to you is that you are a violent person working for a violent organization and that you will hurt me if I do not show them to you?

LEO: No

Me: Then could you explain to me how I am obligated? Or am I free to go?

LEO: Just let me see your driver’s license and registration.

Me: Because if I don’t show them to you, you will hurt me, and that is the only reason that I should show them to you?..

The whole point is to reveal the gun in the room, and make it clear that he is the criminal, and I am the victim. I would fully expect him to reveal his violent tendencies and threaten me to make me show them to him. I may not get a chance to try it until I move to New Hampshire, but if I do make it up there soon, I would definitely try this there.

Don’t ever do this spidey you know the gun is real, its on his hip. He doesn’t carry it so people can carry out rational arguments with him.