Petition to stop being an anarchist

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@Brainpolice

Market anarchists do not favor rulers. A voluntary ruler is a contradiction in terms. A ruler, by defacto, lays claim over other people’s lives. Noone has a legitimate claim over anyone else’s life. Personal sovereignty implies that only you can rule yourself, not over others. Individual sovereignty and rulership are inherently opposing principles.

You know full well I didn’t mean rulers in the sense you just used. Nonetheless we do favour individuals with authority, in the form of a natural elite, trusted with the task of arbitrating between groups. In which case “anarchism” is not just silly strategically, but misleading.

@Brainpolice

The point should be to clarify that that isn’t what it is.

And frankly, who cares if some people listen to punk music and smoke a little pot?

The people whom it is imperative to be taken seriously by.

@Brainpolice

I said that the abandonment of the actual idea of anarchism inevitably likely implies a reversion to some kind of minarchism.

But we never rejected the idea, just the term. At least Nitroaddict didn’t.

@Brainpolice

You clearly do not understand my position. I do not attach to any people who’s ideas aren’t compatible with voluntaryism. The entire point of the pluralism is in the context of voluntaryism. Anyone’s ideas, if they are regaurded as preferances to voluntarily pursue, are theoretically compatible with voluntaryism. This simple point is where the pluralism inevitably comes from.

No you claim the anarcho communists and capitalists can live side by side. Perhaps some of them can,but I’d doubt the majority will really respect property rights when push comes to shove.

@Brainpolice

I never argued otherwise. I argued that those who claim to oppose private property are mostly caught up in semantics and in fact support it.

You just have an Orwellian conception of the term “property rights”.

@Brainpolice

That’s your personal prediction that doesn’t directly have anything to do with being a voluntaryist (I.E. noone has to agree with your preferance or your prediction to be one). It’s also naive to think that one single system would dominate when there is vast diversity in terms of preferances. So long as there are people with different preferances than you in a free society, sorry to break it to you, but there will be other associations out there than the ones you prefer. A free society isn’t going to uniformly represent ANYONE’s preferances. So long as there is some degree of demand for communes and “libertine communities”, they will exist in one form or another at least insofar as the people who prefer them wish to form and join them.

What do you mean? A personal prediction like abolishing the state will lead to greater material prosperity? If that’s a prediction then so is mine. I never said they’d die out completely. I just said they’d be far less attractive when people are forced to give up prosperity and choice for some silly notion of equality. Which is essentially meaningless when they’re surrounded by people who are definately not their equals, living in a “capitalist” system. A system which they’d have to respect.

It’s rather simple for them to rant about inequality now but when the times comes and they find themself forced about by the community to do certain taks and give up the internet they use to broadcast their egalitarian fantasies I daresay they’d not be so keen. Especially as they’d be looked down upon by those not particularly fond of egalitarianism. I don’t see them thriving in this context. These silly ideologies only have supporters now because the state exists and it’s not been proven an absolutely failure.

So, perhaps some may favour equality over everything and else, and furthermore these people would be able to blind themselves of the unequal world around them. And if they then refrained from trying to force their “equality” on others they’d be able to live in these communes. But common sense tells you these people wouldn’t be very numerous.

As for the libertines, well, competition between communities would eliminate them.