You also don’t win ideological wars by compromising the ideals you’re promoting.
Sounds to me like you’re saying “sometimes you gotta take one for the team”…that going against principle is worth it if you think it will further a supposed justified goal…
I doubt Romney will even approach Ron Paul for VP pick. Romney will probably want to placate the many members of the Republican base who are unhappy with him–choosing Ron Paul would not acheive that. Even if Romney did, I’m sure Ron Paul is smart enough to realize he would have better influence going on TV shows and making speeches rather than being VP. I think we’re all worrying about nothing.
But the main issue is: Could Ron Paul be pardoned for accepting a VP slot? At worst, it’s a stupid move on Ron Paul’s part. I’m sure it wouldn’t mean Paul would compromise on his principles. He would accept the position (wrongly) to advance the liberty movement. He wouldn’t be a sell-out; he would simply be shortsighted. Again, I doubt we have to worry about this.
In a simpler way, it’s all a bunch of nonsense, and depending of which stripe of libertarian or conservative you ask you’ll get different answers. For those who won’t compromise principles or ethics, because we know exactly how it works and what affect it will or will not have on anything for our own “agenda” we know the whole thing is useless, it’s only reputation and image after that. Is Ron Paul principled with his own ethics he follows? History shows that, it shows that he would not take a VP position, that’s consenting to the establishment.
The difference is the type of people who’d support this. Last campaign my brother was a die hard Paul supporter, but some poking around can show he’s not a libertarian, just a fiscal conservative. Suggesting that maybe Paul should hold back or not discuss certain matters because the older crowd may not understand, such as the war on drugs, or maybe not be so direct or take a different approach on being anti-war, etc. To quote Rorshach from the Watchmen, “Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon.” Thus, pick and choose what parts of Paul someone likes, edit what he has to say. Well, if that’s the case than Paul is not the candidate for you, take it all in or leave it alone. People see Paul as this hard, stubborn, non-compromising libertarian, but some of the crowd may cave in, which they didn’t really care - they aren’t principled. (Someone like my brother was also quick to say “Paul/Cain 2012!” before Herman went to shit - something we all knew.)
I have my own bias against Paul, but when it comes to being president he’s the only option, but that’s the only decision, president or no? If it’s anything else nevermind, I’m not going to half ass decentralizing things with a mock position of no power. Paul taking a VP slot is in a way the worst marketing possible.
Well just imagine if Paul did accept the nomination for VP. The first thing the media is asking him is how he can square his beliefs with Romney. Can you imagine Paul not calling Romney a warmonger in so many terms and not saying that he stands up for the economic status quo? If he flip flops, the media would be all over him. If he remains true to his beliefs and criticizes Romney as not being very different from Obama, how would that reflect on the Romney campaign and why would they want him in the first place? Your running mate doesn’t even support you? In either scenario, wouldn’t he get eaten alive at the VP debates?
So this isn’t going to work out any which way you slice it. Rand is more likely, but the same issues will apply to a Rand Paul VP.
Normally, I’d believe nothing this State-worshipper says, but here I think he is telling the truth. Even if not, there is no way that Ron Paul is supporting this better-looking version of McCain. If Ron had been willing to trim just a bit as a congressman, he would have been chairman of the banking and then the financial services committee, a rich man, and a beloved figure to the MSM. But Ron Paul is not a trimmer, never has been, never will be. He sticks to his libertarian principles, even though they have blocked his advancement in the regime. But he has no power lust. That’s why young people love him. That’s why he’s changing the future.
Well, you never actually accused him of changing his tune in the first place, did you? Your assertion was that he was “flirting with making the case for defending a Ron Paul VP”.
You didn’t accuse him of defending a Ron Paul VP, or even of making the case for defending a Ron Paul VP. You accused him of flirting with making the case for defending a Ron Paul VP.
You accuse him of considering the idea of making the case that a case can be made for a Ron Paul VP. It doesn’t sound a lot hinges on the verdict, then.
Yeah I understand debating Biden would not be hard. But Paul couldn’t satisfactorily respond to the media questioning him why he had a sudden change of heart which would certainly be something he is questioned on during the debate. That works for people like Biden who attacked Obama in the 2008 primaries on minutiae only to change his tune on certain issues, because they understand that that is politics and that he’s being a team player. With Paul, he built his brand loyalty based on principle and that he is fundamentally at odds with the Republican party platform. It would be a huge chink in his armor; that’s what I meant by the media eating him alive in a debate setting.