Rights

[wilderness]

@wilderness

@JackCuyler

@Juan

If you think I’m invoking some ‘positive’ right to life you are mistaken. The negative property rights of the boat owner do not trump the negative right to life of his guests. That’s all. Besides, what can the boat owner do ? Politely ask his guest to leave ? Fine. The guest is not leaving. So what’s next ? The boat owner starts using violence ? Sounds like assault to me.

You’re claiming I cannot use force to remove you from my property when you have refused to leave, else it would be assault?

I should back up a bit. I asked in an earlier post if the same holds true for a trespasser on the boat, one who was not invited and is not a guest. I should not liken your comments to positive rights until you answer that.

One thing. A friend doesn’t do this to a friend. So that’s a terrible, unreal scenario. A friend NEVER does that. A turncoat - yes - but not a friend.

So two people. One is either a trespasser. The other is coercing the once guest. These are two possibilities of what’s happening.

Also, people can swim so that’s not an issue. Now if the person can’t swim or if sharks, like walking the plank, are down below I inclined to think that’s murder. Also the indeterminate variables of survival tremendously increase with these questions:

How far can the person swim?

Is a known big wave storm coming (not talking about a drizzle)?

How far away from land?

No fresh water and/or food?

Other variables such as sharks (unless seen before the person is escorted off), a muscle pull causing the person not to be able to swim anymore, etc… These are chances that don’t readily limit the person. Cause these variables are the same as having a car wreck, attacked by a bear, etc… They appear to be accidental. Those other questions listed above are more determinable on the life of the person and could switch the blame on the boat owner.

I’d rather wait to see how Juan responds to the trespasser question and hold off on the positive rights issue as well.

I was wondering. These questions above and surely others, I wonder if this is how health insurers and life insurers decipher their product.