She’s thinking you’d better hurry up and make up your mind, because the cuccumber is looking rather sexy…
Frozen Food section. If it were produce would make the cucumbers jealous. Yes I just personified a vegetable…and I have no shame.
I hate the frozen food section. Compresses two peanuts into one walnut.
HILLARIOUS
Its actually the modern notion that it is acceptable for women to kill their babies is what is out of place. Since you are an advocate of parental rights to murder their children I am not surprised you come down on the side of the murderer.
The human exists at the moment of conception. So since they exist, they can be invited.
Yeah, apparently I am guilty of all of the world’s sins today.
The one thing I like about you, is that we don’t maintain the pretense of being friends. There are a lot of people who will assume a friendship they have not invested much into, and at the slightest disagreement, claim injury and malfeasance. At least we figured out early that we thought the other guy was full of crap, and never wasted any time polishing each other’s turds.
The circumstances of your creation are not relevant to what rights you have after you are created. Nor are the circumstances of your creation relevant to what obligations someone else has that takes you in their care, this is true whether we are discussing a fertilized egg or adult human.
To your arguement that an invitation has to be a conscious act is just an attempt to ignore the reality that a womans body is designed to invite their own fertilized eggs and care for them. It is simply part of our species, we can’t pretend were not human simply because it’s inconvenient to your theory. This circles back I think to the point that Lilburne is trying to make in this and other threads. If your theory doesn’t match how humans actually are, then it has very limited use.
The NAP is useful because that is how we are naturally, not because you think they NAP is how we should be. A theory of rights should not be an attempt to transform human society into something but rather a description of how we naturally relate to each other.
Don’t get pouty. Didn’t you think the Socratic method was a great device to debate with? So you discovered [ or alerted to us ] that you aren’t a libertarian. The world isn’t over.
It wasn’t invited. And if you want, you can be intellectually beaten-down in another thread. Because that’s what will happen. You’ve put yourself in the unenviable position of having to defend the invitation of something which didn’t exist when the supposed invitation happened. So, again, we can take this to another thread where you’ll be browbeat by correct reasoning.
The choice is yours.
Good for you. I have a few vices myself.
Disappointing, you are usually much more eloquent.
Obviously, you are not well versed on how the whole baby process works. Fertilization takes place prior to implantation. So we have two events, the creation and the invitation. Your assertion that it wasn’t invited is just a rejection of reality.
Intellectually beaten down, by you, is that what you are saying? I have completely destroyed you in every thread we have ever had. I know it makes you feel good to say that but we both know the truth.
The choice is mine…great, pistols at ten paces.
to you a mere open door indicates invitation?
so burglers and squaters are positively invited in by me one day when i am forgetful and leave my back door ajar?
Rather, I am. Now you get to explain how this invitation actually happens. What is the mechanism? Is something sent in the mail? Email? Texting? Phone call? Knock on the door and ask? Obviously, sex is not the invitation, since sex is ONLY consent to sex. And no amount of misused telos will help you. Further, what is being invited? Does it assent? Does it even exist when you claim the invitation happens?
Your assertion that is it invited is laughable in the extreme, little one. Learn about what it is you’re discussing before you hit “post”.
I don’t know I mean, what the hell am I going to with all of those advertisements in my closet that are aimed at the emerging burglar market?! I can’t just leave my door open to anyone, I want specific demographics, damnit!
Currently On My Door:
“JUST ASK: I LIQUIDATE!”
“STOCKS TODAY: STEAL, STEAL, STEAL!”
“COME FOR THE LOOT, STAY FOR THE FOOD!”
“HELL NO, YOU WON’T GO! COME ON IN !”
and my favorite:
“STEAL THIS HOME STEREO / COUCH / FISH TANK/ SECRET STASH OF CASH UNDER THE MATTRESS!”
Agreed. I am not arguing that a fetus does not have rights, for I think it does. See my earlier posts - I believe the fetus has the same rights as an unconscious adult. Stowaways have rights, too, by the way.
You are misusing the word invitation. We can’t pretend a fertilized egg is invited to stay in a woman’s body any more that we can pretend that a river invites salmon to swim upstream, simply because it would support your theory. Further, even if one was to accept your misuse of the word, as the woman is a self owner, and she did not authorize the invitation, it is invalid on its face. Or are you arguing that I can legitimately invite people to your house without your knowledge and permission?
Were that true, there would be no governments, no thieves, no murders…
Are you speaking to me? Where did I say that leaving a door open meant that trespassing is authorized? The womans egg is created and originates inside the woman’s body, and it has only one purpose to be fertilized and and implanted in that womans body. Furthermore, the woman’s body is specifically designed for this to occur. Woman’s bodies have special abilities and with those abilites comes responsiblities.
Your arguement only makes sense if you beliEve that the woman’s fertilized egg has no relation to the woman and that the active reception of implantation and care for the fertilized egg has no relation the woman. I am not misusing the word invitation. The woman’s body is specifically designed to receive it’s own eggs.
If it’s not true that the NAP is part of the natural human psyche then there is no possibility of it ever becoming a reality. We can only move in the direction of what we are naturally predisposed to do. Humans have conflicting urges and it is the repression of the more basic urges in favor of higher tendencies that we are striving for, if the NAP isn’t part of the psyche then it is an impossibility.
it is an invitation in the most basic sense that invitation could ever mean. It is the core genesis of our species. It is a biological invitation based on our own DNA, it is so basic and critical to the species it needs no other formality.
A consent to any action is a consent to the possible logical consequences of that action. If you consent to drive a car you consent to the possibility that you might cause an accident and injure a third party. You are responsible for your actions while driving the car, if those actions can create conditions where a third party is under your care or injured then that is part of the conditions of your original consent.
The irony that someone still living with their parents in their basement refers to me as “little one” is what is laughable.
meet Mr. Sperm and Miss Oocyte
