President = as defined in the US Constitution
Delusion = belief in something false
Great! Our work is done!
But isn’t the perception of something false subjective?
Actually, Lysander Spooner did it. I am just summarizing his work. You have of course read Spooner right? Ron Paul and I have.
Would that imply that there is no reality?
That’s pretty neat!
“False” as “not real” or “non existent” like, say, unicorns or Santa?
Btw, I’ve read Spooner, too, and quite enjoyed it.
Exactly. Like unicorns.
You and I aren’t far apart on much.
Do you differentiate at all between the following two types of non-existent entities (i.e. delusions):
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A non-existent President that nukes Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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A non-existent unicorn
True that.
“Would that imply that there is no reality?”
There is no set reality, all that matters is the individual’s take upon reality. To most people there is an individual who they believe exists who is, according to a definition which was laid out in a document they know as the constitution, the president. At the same time however there is no such thing as property or even an individual, merely things which an individual claims to exist which fit these definitions of things.
The title of President, and the office it derives its power from is a delusion. Avoid a fallacy of composition.
So you’re saying perception is reality? If someone believe 2 +2 = 5, then it is?
Does God exist because people believe in him?
That’s a belief, that doesn’t mean it is true. Unless you really feel that beliefs are truth, but then I wonder how you deal with contradictions.
This doesn’t make any sense to me. Could you rephrase it?
Two and two put together can never make five, that is incorrect and cannot be, however, if someone percieves the two or the two or the plus or the equals or the five in a different way then it is possible. Once all of these things are perceived in the same way by each individual or entity then they must come to the same conclusion, but if not then no. Perception is necessarily reality to that individual, one knows nothing of reality other than what one percieves. If I told you that “we’re really all fish in a big fish tanks owned by sir Zork Esquire” you just didn’t know it and you couldn’t percieve this and it had no effect on you then so what? You’d continue facing that which was in front of you, your reality
If an individual believes that god exists then sure, he exists in your reality, this doesn’t mean that he exists in mine. If person X is good in my mind and my reality this does not mean that he will be a good man in yours.
I’m pointing out that just as the idea of a president is an imaginary construct, so is the idea of property, or even something that constitutes an individual. Bob could not be considered bob, he could just be considered an extension of a greater force or of the environment or whathave you, the individual percieves his environment and world and ascribes to it that which he believes to be there.
So there are multiple realities? Does it matter at all if there is a God, or does it only matter if people believe or disbelieve there is a God?
I believe things like the “Constitution” certainly exist as a concept. What we call “The Constituition” is a specific piece of paper with scribblings on it. Whether it has any forceful effect on citizens is left for the citizens to decide. A “president” is a man in a suit, but you can also define president as, “a man in a suit that many others perceive to be their leader.”
Can you define them individually please?
I don’t believe they exist, so how about one of the believers define them for us?
I don’t think I have argued against this. They are a delusional concept.
There are no citizens.
We can also define a President as a peanut butter cup.
What doesn’t exist?
What is the purpose of asking me to answer a question you and I have both already addressed? I can tolerate playing along to a certain point, but I am not even sure you have one if you want us to keep repeating ourselves.
Apparently, you’re now asking me to tell you what you have already asked me.