Some thoughts on the Austrian business cycle

I’ll respond in full, later. But for now, there’s a few points I can quickly address.

I agree with you. When I said, “investment capital is capital in monetary form,” I meant what you just said, that, except in specific circumstances(hyperinflation caused by the government printing money wildly, government tampering with the convertibility of gold, or full-reserve banks engaging in fraud), investment capital under both full and fractional reserve are bank notes which represent the value of claims on physical capital.

Yes. that’s what I meant. A low minimum wage won’t increase unemployment.

However, in two other posts in a different thread, you stated:

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But even if you accept the “equation of exchange” MV=PQ as valid (which I don’t because P is indefinable), there is nothing here which tells you anything useful. If M is constant and V increases, it doesn’t follow that P increases. If two people live on a desert island, they can exchange the same goods every five seconds all day long, but the price of those goods doesn’t have to change; all that changes in that case is Q. And what does that tell us? That the faster goods change hands, the more goods are exchanged! So if the quantity of currency moves faster through society, this does not in itself cause price inflation.

At best the equation of exchange is a trivial truism, but more often than not it is simply misleading.

They represent capital, and when the stock of capital is unchanged while interest rates decrease artificially without an equal change in time preference malinvestments occur.

You miss the point.

The Fed pegs the interest rate below the market rate, this makes demand for savings greater than the actual amount of savings. Simple economics tells us this will create a shortage, so to overcome this the Fed prints the difference.

Money has to enter the economy at certain points(its first transaction). If money enters the economy predominately at one point, as it does in the US, inflation is felt in these markets sooner than the rest of the economy. This creates inaccurate rates of changes which lead to a misallocation of resources, if the rate of money creation slows down the misallocations are exposed.

Aside from your attacks on me for being ignorant of Austrianism, it turns out that I’ve actually been misunderstanding some Keynesian concepts too (I suspect others here have as well), possibly even throwing in some Monetarism, because that’s what I’ve been taught.

Before I go any further, I plan to read:General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money by John Maynard Keynes, What Has Government Done to Our Money? by Murray Rothbard, and Monetary History of the United States 1867-1960 by Milton Friedman, so that I can grasp the basic arguments of each side.

You might as well add Garisson’s Time and Money to your list, where he sketches out a comparison between the competing views and fleshes out the Austrian capital-based macroeconomic view.

Hmm. I didn’t know Austrians had macroeconomic theories. I thought they saw the macro\micro distinction as unjustifiable because of their methodological individualism?

If praxeology dictates that the only economic assertions that can be made must be made about individuals, how can you have separate macro and microeconomic theories? After all, I thought that macroeconomics was born from the empirical observation that individual behavior on a small scale is very different from individual behavior on a large scale.

Austrians see no problem with speculation-driven expansion of capital, assuming the increase in capital leads to more overall investment overall, meaning greater production.

One sentence in and you are already incorrect. Austrian economists qua economists do not make moral judgements, so in this sense, they do not see a problem with speculation-driven capital expansion. However, neither do they support it. As Mises said, the most important thing an economist can do is tell the government what it cannot do. Austrians seek to understand and explain economic behavior. Of course, each Austrian probably has an opinion on something, but inasmuch as he opines on subjective topics he is going outside the bounds of economics.

Another inaccuracy in your post is implying that an increase in capital will lead to more overall investment. In fact, things work precisely in the reverse. Capital is increased because people invest in it, not the other way around.

And finally, Austrians, assuming they set aside their economic objectivity, can certainly see a problem with expansion of capital. If it is capital expanded because free market signals indicated it was a sound investment, then we see it as a good thing. If it is capital expansion caused by misleading price signals, then it is a bad thing.

But you believe government-driven expansion of capital (through the Fed and Fractional Reserve banking) leads to malinvestment and thus, the business cycle.

Good enough.

This seems contradictory, doesn’t it?

With the first sentence revealed as misleading, we no longer are bothered by this conclusion.

In both cases, investors aren’t investing because they think their investments are worthwhile. They’re investing either because:

a) They have more money

or

b) They think “the other guys” are going to copy his investment strategy, leading to a snowball effect that drives up the value of the investment

I’ll be perfectly honest: I don’t know how you arrived at this point. At any rate, investors invest because they expect to make a profit in the future. The discounted value of the future goods they can buy with the profits they expect to earn is worth more than the next item they would buy today.

Of course, some investors probably invest because for them it is a fun game to see how much money they can make. In this case, investing itself becomes a consumer good.

To be consistent, you’d have to believe either both forms of capital expansion lead to malinvestment or both forms of capital expansion don’t lead to malinvestment. I strongly suspect the latter, based upon the fact that I’ve heard Forbes magazine used to run a fund in which they tossed a dart at a newspaper and randomly invested in the stock the dart landed on, and the fund was still surprisingly profitable.

I understand the first sentence, at least, and below I’ll explain why it is incorrect. The next part loses me.

If random investment in stock is profitable, then I can’t see how ANY expansion in capital could cause a rise in overall malinvestment.

Random investment in stocks is not necessarily profitable, which is why they advise you to spread your investments around rather than put all your eggs in one basket. Investing your money in stocks is not the same as expanding your capital structure. Onto an explanation of the ABCT.

A consumer good is any good that makes you happy, or, as economists put it, increases your utility. DVD’s, sporting events, massages, apples and automobiles are examples of consumer goods. Capital goods are goods which aid in the production of other goods. Tractors, hoses, automobiles (notice that a good can serve both functions) and even education are capital goods. The more capital that is invested per worker, the more productive a worker will be, but in order to invest in capital someone must first save, that is, they must forego consumption in the present so that, instead of consumption for utility, a capital investment can be made. In very simplistic terms, imagine a fisherman who catches and consumes three fish per day. Then he decides to consume only two fish per day and save the other one. After two days, he has saved two fish. The next day, instead of fishing he builds a net, consuming the two fish that he had saved. The day after that he catches five fish because of his net, allowing him to eat three and either trade the other two for something else or save them as well in preparation for embarking on another capital building project.

Since capital decays, it must constantly be maintained. This requires constant savings so that the needed capital investments can be made. If we want to expand the capital structure, even more savings is required.

Now, we must understand price. The function of a price is to ration scarce resources. A resource is said by economists to be scarce if there is more demand for it than supply of it. Ipso facto, the good must be rationed. When all relationships are voluntary - on the free market, in other words - goods are rationed by pricing them. The price rises which discourages the least interested from purchasing while encouraging more production of that good. The price will tend towards the market clearing rate, which is the rate at which there is a good for every buyer willing to pay the price. An interest rate is also a price and works as a clearing function in the same way.

Now, savings are used to fund capital investment projects. The interest rate is determined by the willingness of people to save and the desire for businesses to borrow to expand their capital structure. Businesses use the interest rate as a guideline for whether or not it will be profitable to expand their capital structure, and people use the interest rate to decide whether or not they wish to save and consume more later or consume less now.

Enter the Fed (cue Darth Vader theme music). Let’s say that the Fed purchases some securities, thus making available more money for banks to lend each other, thus driving down the interest rates. Two things happen. First, businesses see the reduction in the interest rate and notice that a whole host of capital projects just became profitable at the lower rate. Second, people see the lower interest rate and decide that they prefer to save less money now since they will be getting back less money in the long term.

Do you see the problem beginning? Before the rate of savings and the rate of borrowing was balanced out, and therefore the savings rate and consumption rate supported the capital investment rate. But now, real savings is dipping down - and thus consumption is increasing - at the same time that businesses are demanding more loans for capital projects. In other words, consumers are thinking short term and businessmen are thinking long term.

The economy starts to reshape itself around the artificial stimuli and bad investments are made. The capital structure, specifically the structure of those industries which received the early injection of cheap credit, is expanded beyond what can be maintained by the true savings rate, and as the demand for capital increases capital goods soar in value. Projects are begun, but it soon becomes apparent that they won’t be finished. With the housing debacle, we long ago started getting stories of projects that were delayed because of a lack of material. Capital expansion outstripped what the savings rate could sustain.

Of course, a new injection of credit might keep things going, but it will only make the fall all the harder and eventually, with no let up in money creation, your currency will be rejected. At some point, the Fed chooses to tighten credit. The interest rate goes back up, and suddenly these new capital projects are revealed as bad investments. There is a fire sale of capital goods which causes their prices to plummet, and the economy goes into a recession which is simply the liquidation of bad investments. After the recession, the story might continue more peacefully, but of course the Fed always choose to inflate again, which leads us right back to where we were.

And so we see that investment in capital isn’t useful in and of itself. It must serve the purpose of making a profit, and the price signals of an economy will tell entrepreneurs if this will be the case. There are good investments and there are bad investments. By interfering with price signals, the government causes a cluster of bad investments to be made and these must eventually be liquidated. We have no need to decry all investment as bad nor to praise all investment as good. There are good and bad investments, and when government messes with the signals of an economy it becomes hard for entrepreneurs to know the difference.

nathyn states:

“if the government had either a minimum or maximum wage for labor, there’d be higher unemployment, either way, but for different reasons”

and later,

“A low minimum wage won’t increase unemployment.”

  • neither of the above is right. it’s not the absolute lowness or highness of the government-mandated minimum wage, but rather where this rate is with respect to the market clearing price. even setting a low rate may exclude many inexperienced or otherwise unproductive workers. it’s not possible to accurately quanitify a rate which would guarantee no unemployment, because the labour market is not homogeneous.

I agree with you. Obviously, the effect depends on its difference from the natural wage and it would have different effects on different forms of labor.

When I say, “a high minimum wage increases unemployment, a low minimum wage has no effect,” I mean, “a high minimum wage, with respect to the natural wage increases unemployment, a low minimum wage has no effect, with respect to the natural wage.”

If the minimum wage is set ridiculously low, such that no employer in the world can be found to pay such a wage so low, such as 1 penny a day, yes, such a minimum wage would not increase unemployment.

To be more concise, frequently, core assumptions are left out of economic arguments and arguments, in general. In philosophy, this is called an “enthymeme.” The common sense we bring with us to our arguments is called “existential import.”

Surely, when you hear an actual economist use the term “capital” to refer interchangeably to both physical and financial capital (as Timothy Taylor himself acknowledges doing, in his lectures for TTC) , neither you nor anyone else should be rude enough to suggest that he sees no difference between the two.

Consider what I’ve said: What possible basis could I have for arguing that the government could and should try to peg the minimum wage to what they believe is the natural wage? It makes no sense at all. It’s wholly incompatible with every economic school, even the heterodox ones. For you to make such a criticism insults my intelligence.

Your pedantry has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. It’s distracting and extremely condescending. Please stop. And when you or Niccolo read something, give me the benefit of the doubt. Sheesh.

Now, is there anything in this above paragraph which is not completely, fully clear? Oh, and when I say, “clear,” I mean “free from uncertainty or doubt.” The text above is obviously not transparent, after all. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be able to read it, right? Just making sure!! [;)]

nathyn says:

“if the government had either a minimum or maximum wage for labor, there’d be higher unemployment, either way, but for different reasons”

and later,

“A low minimum wage won’t increase unemployment.”

when making generalizations that are on the face of it wrong, people don’t have to grant you any leeway. the above statements are wrong, and therefore liable to be criticized. i notice from your other posts many of your defences are prefaced by the “that’s-what-i-meant-to-say line”. near enough is not good enough when expressing complex arguments, try harder and you’ll avoid the pedants like me. that is if you’re not deliberately being cryptic.

I’m not being anymore deliberately cryptic than anyone else. You’re being condescending. I’ve said, “I agree,” several times now because of the several straw mans I’ve faced.

“The minimum wage causes unemployment” doesn’t need to be any further picked apart. Anyone who makes that claim is going to acknowledge it depends on the natural wage and that it affects people differently.

I did a quick search to find if any Austrians have made the same generalization which is on the surface false, if you take them so literally. And surprise! Look what I found:

Obviously, though, it would be insulting for you to tell the author above, “But if the natural wage is higher, there’s no unemployment!”

Of course he knows that and so do I. Both of us were being concise.

Now, cut it out.

You’ve got to consider how they know investing will yield a gain. Interest is the price of borrowing money, and prices coordinate actions within an economy. The rate of interest coordinates futures actions and planning, so setting this price interferes with this signal, and has similar effects to other forms of price-setting. Too high a price means under-investment, while too low a price yields over-investment.

I’d suggesting reading Garrison:

nathyn says:

“if the government had either a minimum or maximum wage for labor, there’d be higher unemployment, either way, but for different reasons”

and later,

“A low minimum wage won’t increase unemployment.”

mr ostrowski, (http://mises.org/daily/633) actually says “the minimum wage causes unemployment”. cast your eyes up a couple of lines and compare what you wrote, and what ostrowski says, and you’ll notice they are two completely different assertions. only ostrowski’s is correct. by the way, you never got around to explaining how maximum wage is going to increase unemployment. i’m intrigued.

I suppose it makes it easier for Garisson to communicate with non-Austrian economists. It is perfectly possible to classify much of what Austrians do as macroeconomics.

Most macroeconomics is as distant from reality as can be. I am not sure what ‘empirical’ observations it is based off. Macroeconomics is based on predictive power, not how closely it matches reality.

If you are going to read “General theory..” then you must read Hazlit’s “The Failure of the New Economics”, which is the Austrian’s rebuttal. It’s excellent.

Sorry, I totally disagree. If V increases, demand must increase which causes the tendancy for prices to rise. Your example of a binary economy doesn’t apply to the situation.

Actually Hazlitt’s The Failure of New Economics (IIRC) is a more comprehensive refutation of Keynes. I believe Hutt and Hayek also dissected many of his theories.

That’s what I said. Of course all the Austrians have written theory opposing Keynes’ views.

As astute as many of the people who post on here are, (and I have seen some great answers) you really need to understand the complete theory of Austrian Economics before you will understand how the details fit in. For example, if you were going to build a house, there is a logical progression of steps you would follow in it’s construction. IE, lay the foundation, build the frame, finish the house inside and outside, and only then would you furnish the house.

I have noticed from your questions that you are attending to the details (what kind of curtains, what color paint, where to put the couch -to continue the metaphor) when you have not done the work that should come first, build your foundation, and the rest will make much more sense. It takes time, so you really need to determine if it is worth the effort to you. If you are not an econ major, it may not be. Because as with all other things in life your time is scarce and you need to allocate it well. Like I said in another post, it has taken me three years and I still have more ahead of me than behind, possibly another decade to understand things as well as I would like. I understand that you want to know it all now, I am very much the same way, but the truth is that it takes a long time, people spend their entire lives trying to answer these questions, don’t expect to learn it all during your intro to Macro class. Good luck.