I haven’t erected any strawmen, I’ve taken his claims at face value and drawn out their implications. He is claiming that pre-modern states were not in fact states. That’s not a strawman, that’s precisely what he’s saying at face value.
I never troll. In order for me to be trolling, I’d (1) have to actually not believe what I’m saying and (2) have to be deliberately digging for an emotional response. None of that is true, I’m being completely genuine.
You may view it as side-tracking discussion, but it seems to me that you’d call anything that isn’t absolute agreement side-tracking the discussion and trolling. Sorry, things don’t work that way in real disucssions.
In fact, if anyone is sidetracking the discussion it is you, since I was previously making intellectual arguments about the topic and you turned it into a personalized matter. And the original poster is simply stone-walling discussion rather than sidetracking.
If I am understanding this correctly, you’re saying that a state can exist without a head, and likewise a head can exist without a state. Seems reasonable to me.
But with no civilian command, how would such a bureaucracy fund itself?
Could it raise taxes or create new ones through another branch of the bureaucracy?
Sorry if these questions seem to simple. First, I am trying to better understand this, and second I figured we should just talk past the trolls and salvage this discussion for something fruitful (like my increased knowledge) [:)]
That really depends on what kinds of powers it has been delegated by the governments. Normally the taxes are raised by governments, but in the case of the ECB, for example, it has full discretion to set target interest rates.
Ok, thx. Isn’t that basically the globalists plan? To have a multi-lateral technocracy that answers to no state or collection of states, and pursues it’s own agenda?
Earth Corp was just something I made up. Like a global corporation.
And Starfleet, well if you have ever watched Star Trek… But seriously, Starfleet is an example of a global/universal defense and scientific organization that is not nation or race specific.
In political science, a “nation” refers to a group of people who feel bound into a single body by shared culture, values, folkways, religion and/or language. A “state” just refers to a patch of land with a sovereign government. States often coincide with nations (and are called “nation-states,” but not always. States that overlap multiple nations tend to have civil wars; states that exclude parts of a nation tend to have wars with the neighboring state(s) that contain the rest of the nation.
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What is the difference between State and Government:
__A government (from the Greek Κυβερνήτης kubernites - steersman, governor, pilot, or rudder) is an organization that has the power to make and enforce laws for a certain territory. There are several definitions on what exactly constitutes a government. In its broadest sense, “govern” means the power to administrate, whether over an area of land, a set group of people, or an association.
__A state is an organized political community occupying a definite territory, having an organized government, and possessing internal and external sovereignty. Recognition of the state’s claim to independence by other states, enabling it to enter into international agreements, is often important to the establishment of its statehood, although some theories do not make this a requirement - for instance, the Montevideo Convention. …