The Elites ARE the mythical Ancap/Libertopia

So can we conclude that we should convince/force the elites to be completely socialistic in order to undermine them?

You know the old phrase “shit rolls downhill”? I think that’s essentially what the pyramid is. It’s the people above forcing/duping/convincing the people below to live in a state of socialistic exploitation.

Clayton -

But if capitalism is their strength, shouldn’t we force the elites to adopt a socialist statutory legal system?

Better yet, a vanguard party might be the best way to overthrow them and establish natural rights.

Perhaps you missed the definition of the Elites… it’s a bit like Southern slaves saying to each other, “Shouldn’t we force our masters to take on slavery themselves?” Sorry, but… herp derp derp.

Clayton -

Perfectly legitimitate strategy. The only way to keep them from re-emerging is to keep them down.

As one very famous German Austrian Economist put it:

“There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.”

  • Hans-Herman Hoppe

One can use Machiavellian tactics within libertopia but contract law/private property would remain the overriding constant. No such order can exist when you’re talking about a psychosoical order. The concepts as I’ll use them are diametric. Law (in the Spooner sense) on one side with the Mafia on the other.

What gives you the idea that it would be like that? There isn’t any guarantee for it to be like that. Just like the American inspired constitution didn’t remain of effect in Liberia.