US Government Interference with Iranian Government's Nuclear Desires

[BrianAnderson]

In the light of these facts you may want to think a little bit more about Iranians and little bit less about yourself (threatened by a forum asshole and the non-existant nukes of a government of a third world country) and verify things before you assert them.

I learn what I can by myself, and then I come on here for help from others. There’s no problem with that. Truth is, a lot of people on here have information that is virtually hidden in search engines. I come here with questions and people can answer them easily a lot of times, so don’t try to accuse me of not verifying things when I’m trying to do precisely that same thing.

What would you say about a private German citizen who in 1940 wrote and distributed virulent anti-Jewish propaganda? He would be in the subjective sense partly responsible for the government crimes against Jews, even though he may not have lifted a finger against them himself or argued for government action.

That’s not true at all. That’s like saying the guy who wrote the pedophile how-to guide is responsible for the existence of pedophiles.

Not the severity, but the principle of you chanelling Bill O’Reilly on us is the same, so don’t be surprised that it upsets me.

AGAIN, point out where I supposedly posted propaganda or chanelled Bill O’Reilly. I don’t watch that guy’s show, so I figure it’s quite impossible for me to channel him. You keep trying to make a big deal about learning on here. If you have something to teach me, then do it. Don’t spend your time calling me names. It makes no productive sense whatsoever.

Iran is not intent on producing atomic weapons, could not produce them without withdrawing from the NPT and could be easily contained even if it did come to posses them. Stop doing the neocon’s work for them and asserting the contrary when it is not true. Also Iranian government is not crazy. That is more war propaganda.

From the speeches I’ve seen, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seems pretty crazy. I’d like for you explain to me if many of the things he says are incorrectly translated or if he’s misquoted frequently; things like that will help me learn more. When I put myself in Iran’s place with the US constantly threatening them and add that fact to their nuclear facilities, I have a good reason to believe they’d want to acquire nuclear weapons

[KAZVorpal]

Since the government in Iran is just as uncontrollable to the Iranian people as the US government is to people here, if you could, would you use the US military in order to stop the Iranian government from building nuclear weapons?

You seem to be functioning on the theory that libertarians want to force other people to have the limited government we desire for ourselves.

It’s bad enough that we have to resort to majority rule to fight for this, domestically…it would be an anti-liberty obscenity for us to resort to use the military to impose our ideals elsewhere in the world. No real libertarian supported the aggressions against Iraq and Afghanistan, and none would support war, or even economic sanctions, against Iran.

What’s more, the government of Iran has as much right to nuclear weapons as our own. In a sense, this is the Right to Keep and Bear Arms on a grand scale.

[KAZVorpal]

-I don’t understand how this is true at all. How many wars (declared and undeclared) have been fought by nuke holding governments since the end of WWII?

Only little, pissant proxy wars…because of nuclear weapons.

Note that Bush was treating North Korea as an enemy we were likely to attack, until the very day they announced they had a nuclear weapon, then suddenly we started treating them like a dear friend, giving them money and technology. If only Iran were to have nuclear weapons tomorrow, the whole neocon push to war with them would end.

-Why would you possibly value weaponry that make it easier for states to thrive?

Because better smaller states than larger ones. Nuclear weapons allow individual states to protect themselves from international law, world government, and empires like the US.

I reiterate: Nukes are the Right to Keep and Bear Arms debate on a macro scale. They are the Great Equalizer between countries the way a concealed handgun is between individuals in a society.

[Marko]

What would you say about a private German citizen who in 1940 wrote and distributed virulent anti-Jewish propaganda? He would be in the subjective sense partly responsible for the government crimes against Jews, even though he may not have lifted a finger against them himself or argued for government action.

That’s not true at all. That’s like saying the guy who wrote the pedophile how-to guide is responsible for the existence of pedophiles.

A worthless comparison. There isn’t a parallel pro-pedophilia campaign, in preparation for legalisation of pedophilia for government employees, being conducted by the government propaganda mills.