Or the LC. [:D]
-Jon
The LC sounds like something straight out of 1984.
I wish you guys would quit trolling.
You had how many pages to tell ML the same thing and yet you didn’t, why is this exactly?
I don’t approve of any of the trolling, but since ML came here, he has been team mocked and derided. He probably deserves a good chunk of the recent stuff, he’s given and received, but I don’t like bullying, and I think more of the piling on one individual, is childish and strictly a playground attitude.
You don’t like the LC? Fine. Post it in one of the LC threads. He’s already been thoroughly attacked on it, even though he was a good sport, took suggestions from here and tried to revise his program.
I happen to like the LC idea. I think it’s at least worth thinking about. Better than the endless discussions on abortion or religion. At least trying to figure out ways to be free, and what I would do if I were free is a lot more positive and inspirational than the other crap.
And why didn’t I reproach Max? Because he’s the underdog. And I hate bullies, even if the guy getting bullied is a wanker. That’s why I don’t buy into class conflict, hating on the rich, or any other marxist mob agendas.
The only reason I stayed subscribed to this thread today, was hoping it would come back on topic.
I like the idea of the LC. It’s the way it’s presented that is irritating, insulting and off-putting. Highly counter-productive for someone who wishes to spur others into “action”.
-Jon
Answer the question, Are you a slave because you might be robbed in the street?
How is the Liberty Colony the same as a state? I would appreciate specifics.
How would you present it?
No, who has implied such a thing?
By the way, the 1984 comment was a reference to the name only.
We’re slaves because we’re taxed to support others.
I think his point was that you can be mugged every day in some obscure country but as long as you’re not being taxed to support others you’re not a slave. The implication being that being a slave is the only undesirable thing in this world.
No, I think Max is making the point that people trade liberty for security. But they won’t own up to it.
Which is ironic, because I think Max and I would own up to having traded our liberty for security, the difference being, we want to reclaim our liberty and are willing to risk our security to do it.
For some people, being free is more important than being safe. Particularly once it is realized that the safety under a state is an illusion. There is no more safety in being a slave than there is in being a free man.
But they aren’t.
So you’re willing to pay some warlord instead of the government, that’s it basically?
How did you come up with this outcome?
Well, for one I’d not insult the people I am trying go convert, ranting about their alleged inaction &c., and I’d try show it in a positive light, rather than through negative advertising. Then at least you wouldn’t begin with a hostile audience…
-Jon
Because what’s the alternative? Land on some obscure Island and hope it isn’t claimed by somebody, finding food being secondary to that right, because liberty is all that matters. But as that’s obviously not going to happen the only alternative is going somewhere without a government instead ruled by warlords.
Alternatives.
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Become the warlords. Protect your territory.
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Negotiate with warlords. Make it economically advantageous for them to tolerate a liberty colony.
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Fight the warlords.
You’re posting with the assumption that the warlords will win. You’re also assuming that there is no difference in scope or possibility of success in taking on a warlord vs, the US Federal government.
Your argument lacks objectivity.
Why not run for office at home then? It’s far easier.
I thought coercion is what we were trying to get rid of here? In any case, you’d lose.
With every single warlord? Good luck, I don’t understand how this would work, you’d still need to pay them for protection fees, and it wouldn’t be optional. That sounds like something else I know.
You’ll lose against both, this difference is you have to travel half way across the world to lose one of those battles.
And yours is wishful thinking.