Doing that means getting killed by cops and the military - you know these people, right ? You were one of them…
A bit difficult.
But then, we all know that ONLY MaxLiberty ever does anything at all.
Fine idea.
The only real problem I can find with that is you would then be robbed by the tax collectors.
You can either pay a portion of your productive output to them ‘voluntarily’ or they will take it by force. It’s almost like they claim ownership of your labor which is starting to sound a lot like the definition of slavery to me.
From the wikipedia;
You know, I’m not seeing too much difference between the two.
Since I heard Hoppe’s argument that argumentation implies the other person if a self owner I always found the states need to convince us that taxation is good rather amusing.
It is difficult under the constraints that you have created for yourself, yes. See you have chosen to continue paying taxes where you are rather than go somewhere else and not pay taxes. Is that fair, no but the criminals never treat you fairly. Basically you are choosing slavery as a matter of principle. You say it is not fair you should have to move to be free so you will remain a slave until the masters changes his mind.
Basically, you are not clever enough to understand the meaning of the word coercion.
Or you have to find ways to resist. You are resigned to your slavery. You are not a free man who has been enslaved, you are a slave who would like someone to free them. A free man who is enslaved is always seeking a way out and believes there is one, a slave who seeks to be free is always at the will of others.
Your mindset and the that of most others in this thread is that you have no option but to submit and are powerless to resist. At this point you are not capable of being free because you have made your freedom dependent on someone else. In order to be free you have to take responsibility for it yourself.
This is one thing, not paying taxes is something else.
I know what coercion is and I know what excuses are as well. You are committed to the principle that the criminals are in control of your life and you are powerless to eliminate or reduce their control. As long as you are convinced of that then you are a slave. When you realize you are in control of your life then you will be free, not without enemies, but free.
There are lots of people who don’t pay taxes. How are they able to do this while you are not?
I didn’t vote for the tax laws. Therefore, I didn’t create the constraints.
Your holier-than-thou attitude is old.
I wonder if ML believes the people of North Korea can be said to be “free” as long as aren’t “resigned” to the state?
If so, what’s the point of fighting the state? You can be free by merely imagining it.
So if one were to attempt to eliminate of reduce their control they are either free or in the process of becoming free? In other words this makes them no longer slaves?
Like the agorists maybe?
By your reasoning the agorists’ desire to live where they are, not pay taxes and attempt to elimimate the coercive power of the State is a perfectly valid form of seeking freedom.
Smack Down, Bitch
No I’m not. I’d be quite happy to fight back (instead of fleeing to the middle of nowhere…) if there was at least a small group of people to work with.
Sorry, but you and I are using different definitions of ‘free’.
If you had taken the time to read my posts on agorism, I have consistently said that the idea of agorism for greater personal freedom is fine and no “agorist” ideology is required to practice it. Agorism as a strategy to undermine and replace the state with particualar reference to growing the counter-economy is not well founded.
You are slave because you require someone else to free you. You continue to be constrained because you are unwilling to go where there are no restraints. Your statements continually indicate you are a permanent victim. It is always someone else’s fault you are not free. At what point in your life will you be willing to accept responsibility for where you are and what you are doing?
Yes, your idea of freedom is that no person anywhere in the world is trying to restrict you. If one person in the world is trying to violate your rights then you are a slave. I am a free man with enemies. I don’t have the impossible expectation that everyone will be in perfect agreement.
yawn
Peddle your holier-than-thou attitude elsewhere.
By definition, yes.
Answer my question, can a man in the DPRK be free provided he doesn’t not “accept” his position as a slave?
Yes.
Can you be free if there is someone in the world who might rob you or harm you?